Cheaters at double bass

Wyldchild · 07-14-2005, 03:16 AM

I'm not exactly sure which bands use triggers but I read that
Nick Barker (Dimmu Borgir) an the dude from Opeth don't.

bk8686 · 05-13-2009, 01:35 PM

Triggers are usually used by bands that use double bass. When you hit the trigger, it beats the drum with the same velocity regardless of how you hit it. THis way, you can flutter your feet lightly against the pad and the drum will always have the same sound. I do agree that it is "cheating", man up, strengthen your legs, work on your drumming, and play the real thing.

I don't know of any band that uses a trigger that plays 2 hits with one pressing. That is outrageous and should NEVER been done, thats extreme cheating.

As far as bands go, As I lay Dying, Unearth (in concert, not on CD), All Shall Perish, All That Remains, and a slew of other bands use triggers.

If you want to get even crazier, there is "Quantizing". That is where your drums are triggered and hooked up a device that puts all of the bass drum hits into perfect timing. Meaning, you can flutter your feet as fast as possible with no exact rhythm and the device will put those hits into perfect timing.

bk8686 · 05-13-2009, 01:37 PM

One last thing, you can tell when the drums are triggered if you hear more of a "clicking" noise. Watch some of the above mentioned bands perform live, either through DVD, video, or in person and you will hear a clicking noise that accompanies the bass drum...that means the drums are triggered.

SATCHMO · 05-13-2009, 01:40 PM

Your about 4 years late on this thread.

thisWARisours · 05-13-2009, 01:44 PM

You have to be dumb to think it's cheating.

If it was like a contest to see who is the best drummer, THEN it would be cheating.

But music isn't a competition...it's just a form of art.

And however you achieve you're goal is up to you...

Obviously the people who use them aren't as skilled, but it's not like they are saying that they are the best drummers out there.

polyphonic · 05-13-2009, 02:28 PM

Triggers are cool if you can afford them... but besides pricing they are cheap, as far as integrity goes, and of course that's just my opinion. This opinion coming from someone who also thinks drum machines are cheating/weak, but I know dudes in bands who love to use 'em. On a similar topic.... "heal toe method is just f*#kin awesome..have you seen this!??!? It's like the result of triggers without the cheap-cheaty-ness of it. If you're a drummer and looking to step up your double bass game then I seriously suggest that you check this out...

polyphonic · 05-16-2009, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thisWARisours

You have to be dumb to think it's cheating.

If it was like a contest to see who is the best drummer, THEN it would be cheating.

But music isn't a competition...it's just a form of art.

And however you achieve you're goal is up to you...

Obviously the people who use them aren't as skilled, but it's not like they are saying that they are the best drummers out there.

music in itself isn't a competition, but getting anywhere with it is...

jackhammer · 05-16-2009, 05:50 PM

Although it's an old thread I'm bored!

I personally don't find drum machines cheating at all but they are almost always used for a clear asthetic purpose and usually within music that already has elements of Electronica. You can hear it's a drum machine and no illusions have been made to suggest otherwise so that's no bother.

However when it comes to double bass pedals then i cannot stand triggers myself and much more admire a guy/gal who can work both pedals with gusto. If I'm listening to music and knowing it's a live drummer then if double bass is used I would like to think that they are working both bass drums and not just one. I have seen some videos of Nile's drummer working the triggers and it is impressive but I much prefer the traditional method.

polyphonic · 05-16-2009, 06:20 PM

Jackhammer...

Indeed, the faking it like it's a real drummer thing is bogus. I wasn't really thinking about electronica... it's almost implied in that realm huh?
Now the "heel toe method" is something I can't stress enough... Have you seen this? Blew me away! Half the work and/or double the results...outstanding.

Thrice · 05-16-2009, 06:31 PM

I think double bass is lame anyways, but since when is music a competition? They could put tin foil on their dicks and slam it against the bass drum and as long as it sounds good I'll groove it.

07-14-2005, 03:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
Wyldchild Ultimate Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lake Of Piss (Alcohol Of Course) Posts: 127	I'm not exactly sure which bands use triggers but I read that Nick Barker (Dimmu Borgir) an the dude from Opeth don't. __________________ M E T A L!!

05-13-2009, 01:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
bk8686 Groupie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2	triggers Triggers are usually used by bands that use double bass. When you hit the trigger, it beats the drum with the same velocity regardless of how you hit it. THis way, you can flutter your feet lightly against the pad and the drum will always have the same sound. I do agree that it is "cheating", man up, strengthen your legs, work on your drumming, and play the real thing. I don't know of any band that uses a trigger that plays 2 hits with one pressing. That is outrageous and should NEVER been done, thats extreme cheating. As far as bands go, As I lay Dying, Unearth (in concert, not on CD), All Shall Perish, All That Remains, and a slew of other bands use triggers. If you want to get even crazier, there is "Quantizing". That is where your drums are triggered and hooked up a device that puts all of the bass drum hits into perfect timing. Meaning, you can flutter your feet as fast as possible with no exact rhythm and the device will put those hits into perfect timing.

05-13-2009, 01:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
thisWARisours Escaping His Fate Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 299	You have to be dumb to think it's cheating. If it was like a contest to see who is the best drummer, THEN it would be cheating. But music isn't a competition...it's just a form of art. And however you achieve you're goal is up to you... Obviously the people who use them aren't as skilled, but it's not like they are saying that they are the best drummers out there. __________________ DEVIANT.ART

05-16-2009, 05:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Although it's an old thread I'm bored! I personally don't find drum machines cheating at all but they are almost always used for a clear asthetic purpose and usually within music that already has elements of Electronica. You can hear it's a drum machine and no illusions have been made to suggest otherwise so that's no bother. However when it comes to double bass pedals then i cannot stand triggers myself and much more admire a guy/gal who can work both pedals with gusto. If I'm listening to music and knowing it's a live drummer then if double bass is used I would like to think that they are working both bass drums and not just one. I have seen some videos of Nile's drummer working the triggers and it is impressive but I much prefer the traditional method. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

05-16-2009, 06:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
polyphonic Trigger Happy Catalyst Join Date: May 2009 Location: Springfield, Mo. Posts: 62	Jackhammer... Indeed, the faking it like it's a real drummer thing is bogus. I wasn't really thinking about electronica... it's almost implied in that realm huh? Now the "heel toe method" is something I can't stress enough... Have you seen this? Blew me away! Half the work and/or double the results...outstanding. __________________ How quickly I forget that this is meaningless.

05-13-2009, 01:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
bk8686 Groupie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2	One last thing, you can tell when the drums are triggered if you hear more of a "clicking" noise. Watch some of the above mentioned bands perform live, either through DVD, video, or in person and you will hear a clicking noise that accompanies the bass drum...that means the drums are triggered.

05-13-2009, 01:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	Your about 4 years late on this thread.

05-13-2009, 02:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
polyphonic Trigger Happy Catalyst Join Date: May 2009 Location: Springfield, Mo. Posts: 62	Triggers are cool if you can afford them... but besides pricing they are cheap, as far as integrity goes, and of course that's just my opinion. This opinion coming from someone who also thinks drum machines are cheating/weak, but I know dudes in bands who love to use 'em. On a similar topic.... "heal toe method is just f*#kin awesome..have you seen this!??!? It's like the result of triggers without the cheap-cheaty-ness of it. If you're a drummer and looking to step up your double bass game then I seriously suggest that you check this out...

05-16-2009, 06:31 PM	#20 (permalink)
Thrice أمهاتك[وهور]Aura Euphoria Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida/Buffalo/CT Posts: 2,077	I think double bass is lame anyways, but since when is music a competition? They could put tin foil on their dicks and slam it against the bass drum and as long as it sounds good I'll groove it. __________________ Lew Harrison, who looked like an anarchist with his red eyes and fierce black beard, had been writing furiously in one corner of the room. "That's good—happiness by the kilowatt," he said. "Buy your happiness the way you buy light."