Metal Album Survivor [1st Wave Black Metal Division]

**Janszoon** · 07-14-2015, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And without the lyrics you'd never think of any of that either, but without any lyrics Epicus Doomicus Metallicus would still have the same vibe. Musically, Dopesmoker evokes nothing but smoking dope.

The same vibe of directionless, cheesy guitar and overblown vocals? I agree 100%.

**Frownland** · 07-14-2015, 11:37 PM

I disagree with directionless but I agree with everything else you've said.

The Batlord · 07-14-2015, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

The same vibe of directionless, cheesy guitar and overblown vocals? I agree 100%.

You say directionless, cheesy guitar, and overblown vocals, and I say...

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Candlemass invokes the phantasmagorical ambiance of a Victorian gothic romance novel.

**Janszoon** · 07-15-2015, 04:58 AM

That is not at all what comes to mind when I listen to that music.

TechnicLePanther · 07-15-2015, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Because I try not to go by personal preference. Images and Words is generally regarded as their best and one of the best prog metal albums of all time, so that's why it's there.

Disregarding the ****-faced part of your post, I have evidence to support that more people like Scenes From a Memory.

Best Dream Theater Albums - Top Ten List - TheTopTens.com
Dream Theater : Best Ever Albums
Poll: Which Dream Theater Album Is Their Best??? - MetalSucks

These ones are just the opinion of one person.
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/jweber...albums_ranked/
Pokermask: Best To Worst Dream Theater Albums | Sputnikmusic

Images and Words is maybe the more well-known album, but almost every Dream Theater fan will agree that Scenes From a Memory is a better album. The only reason I'm telling you this is because I actually want them to win, and Scenes From a Memory is simply their best album.

EDIT- Just a bit of subjectivity: The completed concept of Scenes From a Memory easily beats out Images and Words' pioneering prog metal. Just because an album started a genre doesn't mean it has to define it. By the way, some of Rush's stuff was definitely prog metal, years before Dream Theater was even around. Could you please just replace it?

Also, as someone pretty familiar with the genre, I can tell you that Dream Theater is definitely one of the best prog metal bands out there.

**Frownland** · 07-15-2015, 07:04 AM

Ja bat, an artist's most well known or most 'revered' album isn't always their best. We saw this with Darkthrone in the bm battle. I wouldn't be surprised if scenes from a cheesy album title is much better than images and words.

Wpnfire · 07-15-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja bat, an artist's most well known or most 'revered' album isn't always their best. We saw this with Darkthrone in the bm battle. I wouldn't be surprised if scenes from a cheesy album title is much better than images and words.

I think the only thing that matters is which album is more popular.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

The same vibe of directionless, cheesy guitar and overblown vocals? I agree 100%.

Yep.

The Batlord · 07-15-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Disregarding the ****-faced part of your post

Granted, this is coming from someone who is hit or miss at best with prog in general, but aside from a few songs and Train of Thought, Dream Theater are just boring wank who do nothing but play rehashed prog that's only vaguely heavier than their inspirations.

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I have evidence to support that more people like Scenes From a Memory.

Best Dream Theater Albums - Top Ten List - TheTopTens.com
Dream Theater : Best Ever Albums
Poll: Which Dream Theater Album Is Their Best??? - MetalSucks

Not saying I'm dismissing your argument completely, but I've learned to treat Best Ever Albums with a grain of salt, since it's led me astray with odd choices in the past, just like RYM (which backs me up BTW). And Top Ten List is downright useless -- I mean, come one, every prog fan I've ever heard readily agrees that Octovarium is pointless wank, and yet there it is at #4.

The Metal Sucks Poll is interesting though, and may influence my decision.

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Images and Words is maybe the more well-known album, but almost every Dream Theater fan will agree that Scenes From a Memory is a better album. The only reason I'm telling you this is because I actually want them to win, and Scenes From a Memory is simply their best album.

EDIT- Just a bit of subjectivity: The completed concept of Scenes From a Memory easily beats out Images and Words' pioneering prog metal. Just because an album started a genre doesn't mean it has to define it. By the way, some of Rush's stuff was definitely prog metal, years before Dream Theater was even around. Could you please just replace it?

First of all, I've only heard two full Rush albums, along with the two singles from Moving Pictures that get occasional radio play, but I've never heard any of their music that actually crossed the line from hard rock to actual metal, and I can't really remember ever seeing them included on any best of prog metal lists. If you've got something to change my mind, then by all means post a Youtube vid.

Secondly, I'll leave it up to the current prog fans of the forum: Trollheart, Unknown Soldier, Chula, Anteater, and Plankton. If they give back you up, then I'll change it. I guess I'll have to send most of them a PM, since only Unknown Soldier ever seems to check this thread regularly.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja bat, an artist's most well known or most 'revered' album isn't always their best. We saw this with Darkthrone in the bm battle. I wouldn't be surprised if scenes from a cheesy album title is much better than images and words.

Considering how few people actually participated in the black metal battle, I don't think that can be really considered representative of what is considered Darkthrone's best album. I like other Darkthrone albums better too, but the general consensus says different.

**Frownland** · 07-15-2015, 08:23 AM

General consensusers are a bunch of twats. I had always thought that A Blaze in the Northern Sky was their most revered anyway, **** whatever RYM rating you read.

Wpnfire · 07-15-2015, 08:27 AM

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General consensusers are a bunch of twats. I had always thought that A Blaze in the Northern Sky was their most revered anyway, **** whatever RYM rating you read.

Take that back commie! Democracy rules!

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07-15-2015, 07:04 AM	#1316 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Ja bat, an artist's most well known or most 'revered' album isn't always their best. We saw this with Darkthrone in the bm battle. I wouldn't be surprised if scenes from a cheesy album title is much better than images and words. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

07-15-2015, 08:23 AM	#1319 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	General consensusers are a bunch of twats. I had always thought that A Blaze in the Northern Sky was their most revered anyway, **** whatever RYM rating you read. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x