Metal Album Survivor [1st Wave Black Metal Division]

Carpe Mortem · 12-05-2015, 07:57 AM

5. Voivod - Nothingface
1. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime

TechnicLePanther · 12-05-2015, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hypocrisy

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Queensryche had prog infused throughout their albums, whereas Sabbath:

1. Had their proggy elements before prog was really a thing.

2. Only had proggy elements in their early albums, most notably Paranoid.

TechnicLePanther · 12-05-2015, 08:28 AM

Alright, Voivod is out, and Fates Warning is back in (for a round at least). I'll give you guys some extra time to listen to the new album, for those who have not. As for previous votes, I'm going to put them one vote behind the last in the list. If they get voted up, then they get voted up, but I think putting them last is fair for now.

5. Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
4. Opeth - Blackwater Park
3. Death - Symbolic
2. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
1. Mastodon - Blood Mountain

Vote 2 off. Vote ends December 8.

TechnicLePanther · 12-05-2015, 08:28 AM

Mastodon
Death

Tristan_Geoff · 12-05-2015, 08:29 AM

Opeth
Death

**Frownland** · 12-05-2015, 08:31 AM

Fates Warning
Queensryche

Anteater · 12-05-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hypocrisy

I have boh Warning and Rage For Order.. not what I consider prog at all. If they are prog then so is Black Sabbath with their jazzy swing time rhythm signatures & Iron Maiden with their fast early Genesis with balls and edge attitude

Just saying... there are a lot of sort of proggish bands that i don't consider actual prog bands.

Iron Maiden are actually pretty proggy by whatever standard something might be considered as such....they have loads of longer songs even on their first few albums, not to mention Powerslave.

It's not the changing time signatures that determines whether or not something is progressive. It's an attitude, the inclusion of off-the-beaten-path nuances and approaches even in the production or song construction. For instance, go listen to something like 'Neue Regel' off of Rage For Order: that song is nearly a decade ahead of its time with the way the vocals are processed and utilized at the start and the way the metal and electronic elements interact. Nothing else sounded like it in 1986 or in previous years either. And on '84's The Warning you have the nearly 10-minute long 'Roads To Madness' and 6-minute 'No Sanctuary'. I'm pretty sure those aren't traditional heavy metal songs, nor are they pop. So what does that make them if you don't consider them progressive in some way?

Hypocrisy · 12-05-2015, 09:05 AM

^^^ By the definition that you are going with ...ie moving forward in some new untread musical path...then those songs would definitely be prog. I see that more as experimental rather then prog. To me the definitive progressive elements in regards to music would be quirky, jazzy timing elements and or classic structures ,influences. Although that is a bit of a simplic overview. I do see what you are getting at though.

Fates Warning
Opeth

The Batlord · 12-05-2015, 01:40 PM

Opeth
Death

Tristan_Geoff · 12-05-2015, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Opeth
Death

I'm just gonna ride your cottails from here on out, I think we share the same opinion on this. Just as long as Mastodon wins, of course.

12-05-2015, 07:57 AM	#2201 (permalink)
Carpe Mortem Crusher of tiny Nords Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ugly Bag of Mostly Water Posts: 1,363	5. Voivod - Nothingface 1. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime __________________ [SIG][/SIG] Mirth is King Be Loving & Open With My Emotions

12-05-2015, 08:28 AM	#2203 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	Alright, Voivod is out, and Fates Warning is back in (for a round at least). I'll give you guys some extra time to listen to the new album, for those who have not. As for previous votes, I'm going to put them one vote behind the last in the list. If they get voted up, then they get voted up, but I think putting them last is fair for now. 5. Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray 4. Opeth - Blackwater Park 3. Death - Symbolic 2. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime 1. Mastodon - Blood Mountain Vote 2 off. Vote ends December 8. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.

12-05-2015, 08:28 AM	#2204 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	Mastodon Death __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.

12-05-2015, 08:31 AM	#2206 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Fates Warning Queensryche __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

12-05-2015, 09:05 AM	#2208 (permalink)
Hypocrisy Surfin Sonic Destruction Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: mother gaia Posts: 220	^^^ By the definition that you are going with ...ie moving forward in some new untread musical path...then those songs would definitely be prog. I see that more as experimental rather then prog. To me the definitive progressive elements in regards to music would be quirky, jazzy timing elements and or classic structures ,influences. Although that is a bit of a simplic overview. I do see what you are getting at though. Fates Warning Opeth