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TechnicLePanther · 09-26-2015, 12:19 PM

1. One of the stylistic origins of Hardcore Punk is "New Wave of British Heavy Metal".
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk

2. I was slightly wrong: All crossover thrash is both hardcore punk and thrash metal, but not all hardcore punk is crossover thrash. Either way, they're very similar. A band could call themselves one or the other, and pretty much no one would question it.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk

3. I'm not sure how to interpret specifically what this means, but what I assume you may mean is that Noise Rock is not rock, and is in fact noise. Well, just like crossover thrash is a fusion genre, so is noise rock. Because of this, noise rock can be categorized as rock or noise, with some leaning more one way or the other.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_rock

**Frownland** · 09-26-2015, 12:47 PM

I think we can pretty much redo the noise rock list tbh.

TechnicLePanther · 09-26-2015, 01:05 PM

I'm trying my best. Go ahead and try your best, and let me know when you do. It's frustrating when people tell me, "You didn't do good enough." Yeah, so what?

The Batlord · 09-26-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

1. One of the stylistic origins of Hardcore Punk is "New Wave of British Heavy Metal".
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk

What? The only thing I found on that page that suggested what you're saying is...

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In the United Kingdom a hardcore scene eventually cropped up. Referred to under a number of names including "U.K. Hardcore", "UK 82", "second wave punk",[80] "real punk",[81] and "No Future punk",[82] it took the previous punk sound and added the incessant, heavy drumbeats and distorted guitar sound of New Wave of British Heavy Metal bands, especially Motörhead.

...which is like, okay, whatever. I highly doubt the majority of UK hardcore bands really cared that much about what Saxon was doing. And Motorhead isn't even an NWOBHM band. They influenced the movement, but largely predated it.

That also only mentions UK hardcore, and not hardcore in general.

And stop using Wikipedia as a source. It's **** when talking about musical influences. That passage was probably written by a clueless Motorhead fan.

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2. I was slightly wrong: All crossover thrash is both hardcore punk and thrash metal, but not all hardcore punk is crossover thrash. Either way, they're very similar. A band could call themselves one or the other, and pretty much no one would question it.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk

Correction: 99% of hardcore is not crossover thrash. Crossover specifically refers to hardcore bands that started taking in influences from thrash metal, and doesn't even include metal bands that took influence from hardcore (since that's what thrash metal is in the first place). I only included bands like Nuclear Assault and Vio-lence because I couldn't come up with more than a handful of legitimate crossover bands of note. A lot of people call those bands crossover, but that's really not accurate.

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3. I'm not sure how to interpret specifically what this means, but what I assume you may mean is that Noise Rock is not rock, and is in fact noise. Well, just like crossover thrash is a fusion genre, so is noise rock. Because of this, noise rock can be categorized as rock or noise, with some leaning more one way or the other.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_rock

No, I mean that noise rock is a recognized form of rock music, and a highly influential and important one at that, so not including it is absurd.

The Batlord · 09-26-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

I'm trying my best. Go ahead and try your best, and let me know when you do. It's frustrating when people tell me, "You didn't do good enough." Yeah, so what?

I got this same **** when I started my thread. You're just gonna have to roll with it.

**Frownland** · 09-26-2015, 01:30 PM

Noise rock list suggestion:
1. Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow
2. Boredoms - Pop Tatari
3. Unsane - Scattered, Smothered, and Covered
4. Big Black - Songs About Ducking
5. White Suns - Totem
6. Harry Pussy - Harry Pussy
7. Fu****susha - Allegorical Misunderstanding
8. Divorce - Divorce
9. Cows - Sexy Pee Story
10. The Jesus Lizard - Head

Neapolitan · 09-26-2015, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

It's called "punk", but it's heavily inspired by metal, hence the "hardcore" part.

The "hardcore" is not a reference to "metal." I can't speak for the hardcore musician and say either way what was and wasn't an influence. But Hardcore Punk was pretty much the opposite of the day-glo Metal bands of the 80s that relied heavily on hairspray and make-up and wearing spandex etc and would do anything to sign a contract with a major record label & be seen on MTV.

The Batlord · 09-26-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

The "hardcore" is not a reference to "metal." I can't speak for the hardcore musician and say either way what was and wasn't an influence. But Hardcore Punk was pretty much the opposite of the day-glo Metal bands of the 80s that relied heavily on hairspray and make-up and wearing spandex etc and would do anything to sign a contract with a major record label & be seen on MTV.

No one is talking about hair bands, Nea.

Neapolitan · 09-26-2015, 01:58 PM

Call it what you want, but the Metal is totally lame phony poseurs' crapola which is opposite to Hardcore.

The Batlord · 09-26-2015, 02:05 PM

Go home, Nea.

09-26-2015, 12:19 PM	#61 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	1. One of the stylistic origins of Hardcore Punk is "New Wave of British Heavy Metal". Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk 2. I was slightly wrong: All crossover thrash is both hardcore punk and thrash metal, but not all hardcore punk is crossover thrash. Either way, they're very similar. A band could call themselves one or the other, and pretty much no one would question it. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk 3. I'm not sure how to interpret specifically what this means, but what I assume you may mean is that Noise Rock is not rock, and is in fact noise. Well, just like crossover thrash is a fusion genre, so is noise rock. Because of this, noise rock can be categorized as rock or noise, with some leaning more one way or the other. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_rock __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.

09-26-2015, 12:47 PM	#62 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I think we can pretty much redo the noise rock list tbh. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

09-26-2015, 01:05 PM	#63 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	I'm trying my best. Go ahead and try your best, and let me know when you do. It's frustrating when people tell me, "You didn't do good enough." Yeah, so what? __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.

09-26-2015, 01:30 PM	#66 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Noise rock list suggestion: 1. Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow 2. Boredoms - Pop Tatari 3. Unsane - Scattered, Smothered, and Covered 4. Big Black - Songs About Ducking 5. White Suns - Totem 6. Harry Pussy - Harry Pussy 7. Fu***susha - Allegorical Misunderstanding 8. Divorce - Divorce 9. Cows - Sexy Pee Story 10. The Jesus Lizard - Head __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x