Best 90's rock band?

LOL82 · 04-10-2016, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Note: I just checked your post count. In the last four minutes your count went from 5 to 9. I only posted twice in that time. I think you're posting a little quickly and take some more time to read the fine print of the replies to your posts. Because my assumption was right: You're posting a bit quickly.

I respect your print, but I still think Guns & Roses can be considered to be a popular rock band of the early 90s. Even though, they started in the 80s. They were everywere; in magazines, concerts, parties, TV, radios etc. The same applies to Nirvana and other bands. They have been popular rock bands etc. Any genre or band can be a popular (pop.), even if they do not want that. Kurt Cobain is a good example of those times...

JGuy Grungeman · 04-10-2016, 04:10 PM

You're doing it again. You're confusing what I said. In the post, I said "they were pop in the sense that they were popular." But your problem is that you appear to confuse the marketing term "pop" with the pop genre. Pop as a major genre has a generally bouncy/dancable atmosphere, and extremely conventional time structures. The atmosphere and feel is mostly what decides it, but pop's experimentation hasd become so broad that a defining sound is nearly iompossible to find. Fine examples of plain pop would probably be "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" as far as 80's goes, and possibly many early Roy Orbison albums for the 60's, as examples. Although "pop" is more tied to marketing than any other genre, that doesn't mean there isn't a difference between a genre and a marketing term. You're possibly unknowingly using the marketing term to describe the genre, which isn't wise.
The kind of pop you have been explaining over and over again is the marketing term. I \have stated multiple times that I agree GNR were pop in the marketing sense, but I have also stated they are not pop when it comes to the genre. In terms of sound and atmosphere, can you really put them with Beatles, REM and Fleetwood Mac?

Pop term = popularity
pop music = dancable, conventional music. Although both tie in together most of the time, especially during this modern era where the sound itself is now the dominant form of music in sales thanks to artists like Justin Bieber, THE TWO AREN'T THE SAME THING EVERY TIME.

**Janszoon** · 04-10-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LOL82

November Rain etc. was released in the early 90s. Still...

Yes, but the band started in the 80s and got popular in the 80s as a part of a music scene that was very 80s. Their most well regarded and most popular album was also from the 80s. Hence: 80s band.

**Janszoon** · 04-10-2016, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LOL82

it is quite non-distinguishable for people born in the 80s - esp. in my counrty.

People born in the 80s can't tell the difference between decades? That's odd.

The Batlord · 04-10-2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LOL82

it is quite non-distinguishable for people born in the 80s - esp. in my counrty.

As someone born in 1986, it's pretty easy for me to tell that Guns'N'Roses are 80s to the bone. "Welcome to the Jungle" is the 80s embodied.

OccultHawk · 04-10-2016, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I agree 100% percent. Appetite for Destruction is an essential album, but Rumours is beyond the borders of five stars.

Agree about Rumours. It's so good it seems supernatural.

Black Francis · 04-10-2016, 06:34 PM

I can kinda see where LOL is coming from, though GNR started in the 80's they really blew up in the 90's. Sonic youth was formed in 1981 but that's another group tied to the whole 90's scene too.

However i don't get how he can call Alice in Chains pop rock, when i think of 90's pop rock i think of the Spin Doctors or Hootie or 4 non blondes that kinda stuff..

JGuy Grungeman · 04-10-2016, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LOL82

You cannot put them together with those bands, but each of them were pop. in different terms, times, genres, music, climate, mood and so on. Each of them have been different to anyone, but that does not change the fact they have been POP. to a greater or lesser extent. For me, regular Pop can be a Michael Jackson etc., but Rock Pop? Yeah, Guns, Nirvana, Alice in Chains etc. Pop can be anything we want...

Marketing is always there. It is always anywhre you look. It is normal. It is part of any business. We have not been here if it wasn't for marketing and business.

But you're also confusing the marketing term with the genre. That's the problem. You're not separating the distinction. You're only using the same argument in different wording. You don't even get what I'm talking about. And your under a seriously annoying delusion that I don't know the definition of the marketing term for pop. You're the one who said you're new to these terms, so don't you think I have some idea about what I'm talking about? Obviously, your definition of the genre is not based on the sound, scene, or culture at all. So if you say the same thing again in the next post and make another argument against something I didn't even say, I'm just leaving the topic because this is really getting on my nerves.

So please put this at the front of your head. I NEVER SAID THAT THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS POP MUSIC IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S BASED ON POPULARITY.
2. A MARKETING TERM DOES NOT DECIDE A SOUND/GENRE.
3. OF ALL PEOPLE, I'D PROBABLY BE THE FIRST TO SAY GNR IS ROCK.

The Batlord · 04-10-2016, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

But you're also confusing the marketing term with the genre. That's the problem. You're not separating the distinction. You're only using the same argument in different wording. You don't even get what I'm talking about. And your under a seriously annoying delusion that I don't know the definition of the marketing term for pop. You're the one who said you're new to these terms, so don't you think I have some idea about what I'm talking about? Obviously, your definition of the genre is not based on the sound, scene, or culture at all. So if you say the same thing again in the next post and make another argument against something I didn't even say, I'm just leaving the topic because this is really getting on my nerves.

So please put this at the front of your head. I NEVER SAID THAT THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS POP MUSIC IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S BASED ON POPULARITY.
2. A MARKETING TERM DOES NOT DECIDE A SOUND/GENRE.
3. OF ALL PEOPLE, I'D PROBABLY BE THE FIRST TO SAY GNR IS ROCK.

*you're

OccultHawk · 04-10-2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

I can kinda see where LOL is coming from, though GNR started in the 80's they really blew up in the 90's. Sonic youth was formed in 1981 but that's another group tied to the whole 90's scene too.

However i don't get how he can call Alice in Chains pop rock, when i think of 90's pop rock i think of the Spin Doctors or Hootie or 4 non blondes that kinda stuff..

Sonic Youth is definitive 80's at its best. Confusion is Next, Bad Moon Rising, Evol, Sister, and Daydream Nation all came out in the 80's. No serious fan could honestly argue their 90's output is even remotely comparable.

04-10-2016, 04:10 PM	#72 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	You're doing it again. You're confusing what I said. In the post, I said "they were pop in the sense that they were popular." But your problem is that you appear to confuse the marketing term "pop" with the pop genre. Pop as a major genre has a generally bouncy/dancable atmosphere, and extremely conventional time structures. The atmosphere and feel is mostly what decides it, but pop's experimentation hasd become so broad that a defining sound is nearly iompossible to find. Fine examples of plain pop would probably be "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" as far as 80's goes, and possibly many early Roy Orbison albums for the 60's, as examples. Although "pop" is more tied to marketing than any other genre, that doesn't mean there isn't a difference between a genre and a marketing term. You're possibly unknowingly using the marketing term to describe the genre, which isn't wise. The kind of pop you have been explaining over and over again is the marketing term. I \have stated multiple times that I agree GNR were pop in the marketing sense, but I have also stated they are not pop when it comes to the genre. In terms of sound and atmosphere, can you really put them with Beatles, REM and Fleetwood Mac? Pop term = popularity pop music = dancable, conventional music. Although both tie in together most of the time, especially during this modern era where the sound itself is now the dominant form of music in sales thanks to artists like Justin Bieber, THE TWO AREN'T THE SAME THING EVERY TIME. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

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Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	I can kinda see where LOL is coming from, though GNR started in the 80's they really blew up in the 90's. Sonic youth was formed in 1981 but that's another group tied to the whole 90's scene too. However i don't get how he can call Alice in Chains pop rock, when i think of 90's pop rock i think of the Spin Doctors or Hootie or 4 non blondes that kinda stuff.. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A