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Old 08-24-2016, 12:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It didn't really have to be specifically black. They were stealing many blues songs, and blues was a very African-American genre. Off the top of my head, most blues artists I can think of (not counting blues rock albums) are black. Muddy Waters, Rosetta Tharpe, John Lee Hooker, B.B. King, Son House, Skip James, Fred McDowell, Howlin Wolf, Willie Dixon, Buddy Guy...
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Zeppelin were pretty much stealing from their leading influences.

Besides, Dazed and Confused was taken from a white guy.
I think how a person feels about Zeppelin determines if they say "steal" or whatever. I side with Chula Vista that they didn't rightfully credit those artist. There's a saying I heard several times from guitar players that they "beg, borrow and steal." Folk artist, Blues artist borrowed from each other all the time. Led Zeppelin are no different than anyone else. However they made millions. So I guess that changes things a bit. I mean they should had known better, don't they have lawyers for that kinda stuff? I don't think Zeppelin are alone, there are examples all over Rock and Roll with people getting cheated and whatnot.

Did anyone else notice the intro of Sick Again sounds awful close to I'm Free by The Who? The the five strums, not the whole thing. I think the first second of each song are uncannily similar.

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Old 08-24-2016, 01:28 PM   #22 (permalink)
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All of the bigs bands of that era were unconsciously borrowing from each other.
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:35 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm more saying the music they produced was a ruined version of the blues
Are you a big blues fan?


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Page was also heavily influenced by Davey Graham. And speaking of "White Summer/Black Mountain Side:"




I'm a huge Zeppelin fan, though. And I love Davey Graham, too . . . and I bunch of other folks that Zeppelin were inspired by.

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Old 08-24-2016, 05:14 PM   #24 (permalink)
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nah that's boring to me
I used to actually think I hated the blues but then I heard it done right and pure:

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Old 08-24-2016, 05:42 PM   #25 (permalink)
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All of the bigs bands of that era were unconsciously borrowing from each other.
Well Hip Shake Boogie is a Slim Harpo tune, so ZZ Top isn't borrowing from the Rolling Stones, Billy Gibbons is borrowing from one of his influences, Slim Harpo!

Slim Harpo - Shake Your Hips



The Rolling Stones also covers King Bee by Slim Harpo, on thier debut album.
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Just read up on this. ZZ Top were sued and won cause the court determined that the rhythm and riff were in the public domain.
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Just read up on this. ZZ Top were sued and won cause the court determined that the rhythm and riff were in the public domain.
Who sued ZZ Top?
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Who sued ZZ Top?
The copyright holder of Boogie Chillin.
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Ok. Someone help me out. I'm lost how Led Zeppelin stole from black people. I mean, the only people that you could actually say they stole from are white artists. The black musicians were all credited.
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it's not that they stole anything it's that they adopted a style of music pioneered by oppressed African Americans in the south, outsiders

And then just made it lame, a crime in itself really

Not even singling out Led Zep here really
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