The Official Smashing Pumpkins/Billy Corgan Thread (bass, single, albums)

Dr. Yellow Black · 01-07-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Yes. I'm wrong, to a fanatical blind-following diehard fan of this horrible band.

Horrible band? Yeah ok. Whatever you say goes.

Dr_Rez · 01-07-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

They weren't, though. MAYBE so to a diehard fan of the band, but not to anybody else with two ears, working nerve-endings, and a mind unclouded by blind bias. After Mellon Collie they did absolutely nothing that was good for the sustained length of a whole LP, and some of the releases were just truly terrible. Hell, even Mellon Collie runs out of steam.

Agreed completely, and Im even a huge SP fan. Although Mellon Collie didn't necessarily run out of steam, it just really should have been slimmed down to a single album.

I have always found Adore to be a very lazy attempt to develop the bands sound.

MSPaintClock · 01-07-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Yes. I'm wrong, to a fanatical blind-following diehard fan of this horrible band.

You make me sound a lot less evil than I really am. :/

scottsy · 01-07-2009, 09:47 PM

Someone here asked to choose between The Pumpkins and Zwan.... well, I think the answer would be pretty clear cut... the mutli - huge album juggernaut or the meandering side project that failed...

Ok, so that beuing said, I LOVED the Zwan album, and thought it actually had some really strong solid pop tuns and some excellent playing.

To be honest, Corgan should have just stuck "Smashing Pumpkins" on the cover and run with it - the core of the band was him and Jimmy Chaberlin who are the core of the band now anyways... and probably always really were...

The fact remains, Mary Star of the Sea is a darn good recording.

Dr_Rez · 01-07-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by scottsy

Someone here asked to choose between The Pumpkins and Zwan.... well, I think the answer would be pretty clear cut... the mutli - huge album juggernaut or the meandering side project that failed...

Ok, so that beuing said, I LOVED the Zwan album, and thought it actually had some really strong solid pop tuns and some excellent playing.

To be honest, Corgan should have just stuck "Smashing Pumpkins" on the cover and run with it - the core of the band was him and Jimmy Chaberlin who are the core of the band now anyways... and probably always really were...

The fact remains, Mary Star of the Sea is a darn good recording.

I would consider James Iha a large part. Enough to be considered a core member. Especially in there live shows.

scottsy · 01-07-2009, 10:02 PM

It's possible I played down the role of Iha in my post... I was thinking less of the live situation than the albums and the recording process that would often just screen him and D'arcy out anyways... so, indeed I stand corrected!

Dr_Rez · 01-08-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by scottsy

It's possible I played down the role of Iha in my post... I was thinking less of the live situation than the albums and the recording process that would often just screen him and D'arcy out anyways... so, indeed I stand corrected!

It was funnythough in the Siamese Dream recording BC often just did the guitar parts himself because he knew it would go quicker and be easier than having Iha do it.

Zer0 · 01-08-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

It was funnythough in the Siamese Dream recording BC often just did the guitar parts himself because he knew it would go quicker and be easier than having Iha do it.

He played D'Arcy's bass lines aswell on the first few albums along with all the guitar parts because he wanted to achieve a certain degree of consistancy. Basically around 80-90% of what you hear on the early SP albums is just Billy and Jimmy.

scottsy · 01-08-2009, 08:43 PM

That's why I am not overly fussed by ther lack of Iha and D'arcy on the new Pumpkins' recordings... I have no idea how the band is affected live because I never had the pleasure of seeing them, but as far as the albums go, it's status normal to hear only Jimmy and Billy doing everything...

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 01-10-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

They weren't, though. MAYBE so to a diehard fan of the band, but not to anybody else with two ears, working nerve-endings, and a mind unclouded by blind bias. After Mellon Collie they did absolutely nothing that was good for the sustained length of a whole LP, and some of the releases were just truly terrible. Hell, even Mellon Collie runs out of steam.

You sir are a ****.

01-07-2009, 09:47 PM	#264 (permalink)
scottsy Untalented Drummer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sussex, Wisconsin Posts: 2,900	Someone here asked to choose between The Pumpkins and Zwan.... well, I think the answer would be pretty clear cut... the mutli - huge album juggernaut or the meandering side project that failed... Ok, so that beuing said, I LOVED the Zwan album, and thought it actually had some really strong solid pop tuns and some excellent playing. To be honest, Corgan should have just stuck "Smashing Pumpkins" on the cover and run with it - the core of the band was him and Jimmy Chaberlin who are the core of the band now anyways... and probably always really were... The fact remains, Mary Star of the Sea is a darn good recording. __________________ "If you're like me, then it's possible you're a clone generated from my stolen DNA. I suggest you turn yourself in for destruction immediately" - Shaun Micallef.

01-07-2009, 10:02 PM	#266 (permalink)
scottsy Untalented Drummer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sussex, Wisconsin Posts: 2,900	It's possible I played down the role of Iha in my post... I was thinking less of the live situation than the albums and the recording process that would often just screen him and D'arcy out anyways... so, indeed I stand corrected! __________________ "If you're like me, then it's possible you're a clone generated from my stolen DNA. I suggest you turn yourself in for destruction immediately" - Shaun Micallef.

01-08-2009, 08:43 PM	#269 (permalink)
scottsy Untalented Drummer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sussex, Wisconsin Posts: 2,900	That's why I am not overly fussed by ther lack of Iha and D'arcy on the new Pumpkins' recordings... I have no idea how the band is affected live because I never had the pleasure of seeing them, but as far as the albums go, it's status normal to hear only Jimmy and Billy doing everything... __________________ "If you're like me, then it's possible you're a clone generated from my stolen DNA. I suggest you turn yourself in for destruction immediately" - Shaun Micallef.