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Old 01-30-2019, 09:28 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, one song is hardly defining of a bands entire output. It's not exactly a song - or even an album - that I'd classify as the "core" opeth sound. Like, Ozzy has a handful songs that are blatant Beatles worship. Like "Goodbye to Romance", but I'd hardly dismiss his discography as merely ripping off the Beatles.

Something like this is what I'd call full-on Opeth:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rggQNCS8UjM

Obviously old school prog inspired, but that's one thing... and being a blatant ripoff with no expression of one's own is another.

In any case, I'd have to listen to Mirage to see if I agree.
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:30 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The only difference is the vocals, really. Not to mention that the folk element runs through all of their discography. Maybe the issue with the nuance is that you're ignoring the core and defining by the dressing.
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:35 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I don't think I would agree with your idea of what merely constitutes "dressing". Maybe? Maybe not?

For example, I'd say that every single artist I like has a sound of his/her/their own.*
And that this is important and would make the artist in question not a ripoff of anyone else to any degree that I'd care about.

But! All things fair, I'm not that familiar with Opeth's discography yet, since I've only just started finally liking them a bit. And I don't know much about Camel. So I'm not necessarily going to disagree in the end. I just wonder what exactly you think of as being the defining elements of a band's art, versus what I'd say it would be.


*maybe a select few exceptions...
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Just their general compositional approach, the modernization would be the dressing.

I mean ja I'm being overly dismissive because I don't particularly like Opeth, but they borrow heavily from 70s prog artists, mainly Camel and BOC.
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It's a bit like with Tool, where their fans insist too hard on their supposed genius status.

There's some particular chords, chord progression variations and scales that Opeth lean heavily on. I'd be curious if I'd hear them appearing all over the place if I start checking out Camel's albums.
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I think black metal has seen and will continue to see the most evolution and adaption. It consumes other influences like a monster, taking from them what it sees fit.
Blackened Psychedelic Drone is even a thing.
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