Most diverse sub genre of metal?!

~~MicShazam~~ · 01-30-2019, 08:28 AM

Well, one song is hardly defining of a bands entire output. It's not exactly a song - or even an album - that I'd classify as the "core" opeth sound. Like, Ozzy has a handful songs that are blatant Beatles worship. Like "Goodbye to Romance", but I'd hardly dismiss his discography as merely ripping off the Beatles.

Something like this is what I'd call full-on Opeth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rggQNCS8UjM

Obviously old school prog inspired, but that's one thing... and being a blatant ripoff with no expression of one's own is another.

In any case, I'd have to listen to Mirage to see if I agree.

**Frownland** · 01-30-2019, 08:30 AM

The only difference is the vocals, really. Not to mention that the folk element runs through all of their discography. Maybe the issue with the nuance is that you're ignoring the core and defining by the dressing.

~~MicShazam~~ · 01-30-2019, 08:35 AM

I don't think I would agree with your idea of what merely constitutes "dressing". Maybe? Maybe not?

For example, I'd say that every single artist I like has a sound of his/her/their own.*
And that this is important and would make the artist in question not a ripoff of anyone else to any degree that I'd care about.

But! All things fair, I'm not that familiar with Opeth's discography yet, since I've only just started finally liking them a bit. And I don't know much about Camel. So I'm not necessarily going to disagree in the end. I just wonder what exactly you think of as being the defining elements of a band's art, versus what I'd say it would be.

*maybe a select few exceptions...

**Frownland** · 01-30-2019, 08:37 AM

Just their general compositional approach, the modernization would be the dressing.

I mean ja I'm being overly dismissive because I don't particularly like Opeth, but they borrow heavily from 70s prog artists, mainly Camel and BOC.

~~MicShazam~~ · 01-30-2019, 08:39 AM

It's a bit like with Tool, where their fans insist too hard on their supposed genius status.

There's some particular chords, chord progression variations and scales that Opeth lean heavily on. I'd be curious if I'd hear them appearing all over the place if I start checking out Camel's albums.

SmokeAndMirrors · 01-30-2019, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg

I think black metal has seen and will continue to see the most evolution and adaption. It consumes other influences like a monster, taking from them what it sees fit.

Blackened Psychedelic Drone is even a thing.

01-30-2019, 08:30 AM	#32 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	The only difference is the vocals, really. Not to mention that the folk element runs through all of their discography. Maybe the issue with the nuance is that you're ignoring the core and defining by the dressing. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-30-2019, 08:37 AM	#34 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Just their general compositional approach, the modernization would be the dressing. I mean ja I'm being overly dismissive because I don't particularly like Opeth, but they borrow heavily from 70s prog artists, mainly Camel and BOC. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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01-30-2019, 08:28 AM	#31 (permalink)
~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	Well, one song is hardly defining of a bands entire output. It's not exactly a song - or even an album - that I'd classify as the "core" opeth sound. Like, Ozzy has a handful songs that are blatant Beatles worship. Like "Goodbye to Romance", but I'd hardly dismiss his discography as merely ripping off the Beatles. Something like this is what I'd call full-on Opeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rggQNCS8UjM Obviously old school prog inspired, but that's one thing... and being a blatant ripoff with no expression of one's own is another. In any case, I'd have to listen to Mirage to see if I agree.

01-30-2019, 08:35 AM	#33 (permalink)
~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	I don't think I would agree with your idea of what merely constitutes "dressing". Maybe? Maybe not? For example, I'd say that every single artist I like has a sound of his/her/their own.* And that this is important and would make the artist in question not a ripoff of anyone else to any degree that I'd care about. But! All things fair, I'm not that familiar with Opeth's discography yet, since I've only just started finally liking them a bit. And I don't know much about Camel. So I'm not necessarily going to disagree in the end. I just wonder what exactly you think of as being the defining elements of a band's art, versus what I'd say it would be. *maybe a select few exceptions...

01-30-2019, 08:39 AM	#35 (permalink)
~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	It's a bit like with Tool, where their fans insist too hard on their supposed genius status. There's some particular chords, chord progression variations and scales that Opeth lean heavily on. I'd be curious if I'd hear them appearing all over the place if I start checking out Camel's albums.