Deftones is definitely nu metal in their early phase. They didn't influence the genre either, they were, along with Korn, Limp Bizkit and Coal Chamber, just an early producer of nu metal.

Honestly, they sound like nu metal that they based around the style of Tool. They've always seemed to want to sound like Tool. Anyways, they're not very original, just **** that RATM, Biohazard and FNM were doing years earlier, and those bands all sounded a lot better.

Chino and Isis? That would produce an awesome baby.

I agree they weren't much of an influence compared to other bands. They did however influence SOAD and Linkin Park though... even Muse which is surprising. Lol

I never thought they wanted to sound like Tool. Are you saying this because Maynard did a song with them on White Pony?

And I agree they didn't influence nu metal. If they had, it might have sounded a lot better down the road.

Besides from doing Passenger with Maynard they sound nothing like Tool. I agree.

Chino considers Maynard his biggest influence, he tries to sing like him a lot, musically it's not complex like Tool, but it doesn't sound unlike Opiate/Undertow type of music, which is as basic as Tool's ever been.

I don't hear influence in SOAD at all. SOAD was an alt. metal band with hardcore punk influences.

Just because they don't sound like each other doesn't mean they weren't influenced by them. They are two different things. For example Tom Morello was influenced by Black Sabbath, but his sound was unique and nothing like them.

SOAD wasn't influenced by Deftones. That's like saying Alice In Chains was influenced by Soundgarden because they were an earlier example of alternative metal. Deftones and SOAD have completely different brands of metal, and their influences are different.

Every heavy form of music is influenced by Black Sabbath, and Tom Morello's guitar playing has a VERY 70s sound to it. Audioslave practically sounds like a 70s metal band with Chris' vocals.

You go with influences you can distinguish. In SOAD I can very easily distinguish two bands off the bat. Suicidal Tendencies (circa S/T) and Dead Kennedys. I can also hear influence from Primus in the form of their chaotic chord structures.

I'm going by what they have cited. If musicians have notably considered other bands as an inspiration that's influence. Doesn't mean they have to have a similar sound. Not saying just because they were an earlier act they are influenced. Honestly they were many heavy acts out there in the 70s if not just prior. You cannot possibly say a band was influenced by all of them by resembling characteristics. That's like saying music influences all types of music because it is music. Don't hear anything in Tom Morello's style that remotely sounds like Back Sabbath or the Clash anyway. That's just my own two cents.

lol I think we are going to work well together.

If anything, Deftones moved to include more alt rock/post rock influences into their sound down the road. I think their self-titled is a huge reflection of that shift in sound.

Artists can say whatever they want. Maeilyn Manson apparently considers The Doors the first punk band. Goofie, if you're reading this, I am not being snide, I seriously had no idea Manson had this opinion.

Anyways, Motorhead don't consider themselves metal, they are. What an artist says means precisely dick. You draw your own conclusions, and don't need Chino James Keenan or allmusic.com to subject their pretentious opinions towards you.

Influences are 100% in sound. I think we're confusing the terms influences and inspirations.

Motorhead are more "hard rock" than "metal"

they still retain the bluesy edge while most metallers do away with them

It goes the other way, too. If you listen hard enough, I'm sure you could say you hear hints of the Carpenters floating around in the mix. If a band actually gives you a list of artists that they say influenced them, I tend to go with that. It doesn't have to directly affect the sound of their music, but perhaps how they approach it.

How they approach it will end up in the sound, it's absolutely the same thing. Artists don't get to label themselves. Motorhead isn't "rock and roll", they're heavy metal. Heavy metal is a heavier version of rock, it's not rocket science here. They consider Little Richard their biggest influence, and you can hear it. That's the difference. System Of A Down only has similarities to Deftones like Deftones has similarities to 99% of the alt metal world from 1992-1999. You absolutely draw your own conclusions as a fan.

What sounds like influence to one person, or is influence to one person, might not be to the next.

THe deftones members are big music fans so im pretty sure everything from


1978-1993 there kid and teenager years ... since i think some of them are pushing 40 right influnced them

u can always kinda tell how much a artist digs other music or not like Lemmy i dont think he listens to Hip hop and all the weird **** Chino and frank listen 2 just saying

Most influences will show up in the mix, but having a certain mindset or using a technique another artist has used to write music does not mean you will be able to tell outright. And not agreeing with influences that the band directly says are influences is just dumb...sure, if SOAD said they were inspired by Britney Spears we could all assume it was a joke, but otherwise you're just arguing semantics. You can be influenced by someone and not have it smack you in the face in the music.

Again, SOAD was listing alternative metal bands preceding them as far as I can tell. I'd be interested to hear if they considered Korn, Soundgarden or AIC influences.

Deftones were pretty much just an exceptional nu metal band through their first 3 albums, I find it hard to believe that SOAD has any amount of real influence from Deftones.

I can say anyone's an influence of my band. Ke$ha lists Black Sabbath, AC/DC and Led Zeppelin as her biggest influences, and considers herself alternative. I'm not even ****ting you with that.

I find it hard to believe, just like I find it hard to believe Deftones impacts SOAD.

Well, I was never arguing that. I was just arguing that someone can list influences that aren't immediately apparent in the music. Did SOAD ever say the Deftones were an influence?

As for Ke$ha...does she write her own music? My first instinct is no, so I don't know how any of those bands could have an influence on her. It's not her music. I can see where she gets her attitude now, though.

Interesting discussion. Don't discount the fact that any band will often bring a range of influences to their music from individual members. It's often the case that the variances in influence amongst the individuals within the band can combine to create something that doesn't sound like any of those individual influences. I know that even though my mates and I may have much common ground when all our tastes are blended it becomes a compromised collection of what we all bring.

And yeah deftones are pretty damn good too.

Deftones - Download the new song "Leathers" from their upcoming album KOI NO YOKAN

New song guys. It's awesome. Deftones are at their best when they're making really pretty stuff like this, in my opinion.

Just came here to post it.

Here's a Youtube for any lazy folk:



November 13th it drops.

Sounds promising. I'm kind of excited since I prefer their later stuff. Hoping it's not a disappointment. :)

Sorry, I had to resurrect this thread. I decided to listen to all their albums and rank them. I'm not a fan of the newer stuff, so many of you will disagree with my rankings. And many will gawk at the fact that Saturday Night Wrist is my second favorite. I agree, there are a lot of unforgettable songs on that album, but the ones that are good are some of my favorite Deftones songs ever (I'm a sucker for Shoegaze) so I had to rank it high. I think White Pony deserved the hype it got when it first came out because it was so different, but 15 years later I think we can acknowledge it was their first foray into that sound and was "green" in a lot of ways. Listening now I actually think Around the Fur was a better album song for song, though you certainly can't deny how clean White Pony sounded when compared to the gritty ATF.

Deftones
Saturday Night Wrist
Around the Fur
White Pony
Adrenaline
Koi No Kan
Diamond Eyes

Not a fan of the newer stuff, even though it's actually better? That's cool. You like what you like. But my opinion is that Deftones got better as their career moved forward. The was a smart progression with each album, but I say their self titled album was their one blunder in their career. The album was not bad, don't get the idea that I'm saying it was. But their self titled sort of sounded like they were stuck. I liked the album, but I was also quickly bored of it, which for me was a first because I've never been bored of Deftones, ever.

You have your reasons for ranking their albums like you did, but you never said how long you've listened to this band or if you're new to them, new as in you knew who they were, but never really listened to their albums collectively. Your post reads like this was you first focused venture in to checking the band out, so maybe if I am correct, that explains why you listed the albums like you did.

But then again, just because I don't agree with how you rank the bands discography, doesn't change that you resonated or connected with each album in your own way based on the music you like. I was in grade school when I had Adrenaline purchased for me, that was back in 1995 and I was eight. So obviously I've been a Deftones fan for a long time. What they have put out since their debut, yes, the older stuff has a certain charm and imperfection that is appealing, but the bands newer albums are simply better. I don't approach how I rank their discography based on the typical "man, I wish they still sounded like they did when they were younger, they're not as heavy anymore..." I like bands that evolve or don't follow the same formula every album, or takes a safe approach to be more relevant that way. Deftones sound so much better now than they did in 95 man. They make better albums.

I wonder if you listened for as long as I have, would you still rank the albums like you did? Something tells me you might not.

But it's nice to see Deftones get talked about here for a change. Not a lot of people here appreciate how good they are.

Great post but youre dead wrong on my Deftones experience. Deftones is literally my favorite hard rock band of all time. Chinos vocals and what those guys can do with their instruments, and how they evolved is surpassed by no other band in that genre, in my opinion. I started listening right when Around the Fur came out, it was being sampled in warehouse music when you could put on the head phones and listen (that's old school!). I bought it, and a few weeks later bought adrenaline. I bought every album after that. I loved their evolution up to the point of Diamond Eyes. They just have a different sound since Terry Date left that I can't quite get down with (though I like a lot of Saturday Night Wrist). You're right, everything is much better technically speaking, but I don't feel the raw emotion or the murky dreamy atmosphere of their old work. That's the stuff I like, whether it's light and shoegazy (like Cherry Waves or Xerces) or heavier (like Hexagram or My own Summer). Go listen to Chinos vocals on Passenger, he doesn't go into that hauntingly soothing heroine mode with his tone and melodies like that anymore (he also doesn't do heroin anymore).

I agree that self titled was kind of "stuck" but that's actually what I liked about it. Though I like evolution, I was worried they would expand purely off of White Pony and go even more digital/atmospheric/abstract. Instead they reeled it in and used some elements from White Pony, some from Around the Fur, some new things (synthesizers) and a lot of the low G# tuning which I love. On rate your music someone described it saying "What I love about this is the late-night vibe which really permeates through. There's a lot of outright aggression but still have plenty of brooding, plodding, deeply tense moments which I absolutely savor. If they could combine what they did here with the best moments of White Pony and Koi no Yokan, there we'd have the masterpiece. There are some days where I feel like this may be their best."

As for the way I ranked the albums, I categorized each song with a point rating, as bad(0 points), ok(1 point), good(2 points), or great (3 points). And I added up the points for each album to see which had the most points and which had the least. Try doing this, I'm interested in how you rate albums with this system.

White Pony

Back To School (Mini Maggit) ***
Feiticeira **
Digital Bath **
Elite ***
RX Queen ****
Street Carp ****
Teenager **
Knife Party ***** 5
Korea ***
Passenger ****
Change (In The House Of Flies) ****
Pink Maggit ***

Love the Deftones!

Anyone heard the lead single from the new album yet? If so, thoughts? If not, here it is.



After giving it a few weeks, I've decided that I do enjoy it. It's not exactly what I was hoping to hear, and it seems as if they're going into the new album on the lighter side of things, but who knows, maybe the rest of the album will pack a bit more of a punch. Gore will be released April 8th, for those who didn't know.

Deftones are still kicking ass and chugging along new track is great

I like the Deftones, I had white pony on repeat during my wannabe skater teen years. the main reason i like them it's cause of Chino's voice. his screams on digital bath still gives me goose bump. Also they made my favorite suicidal song of all time.



that line: "I hate all my friends, they all lack taste sometimes, there's a hole in the earth, im out" ive always thought that's a great line that reflect the self victimising thoughts of a suicidal person.

No bigger Deftones fan or Chino Moreno fan than me on this forum.

In regard to the new song Prayers/Triangles. Well it's a Deftones song. You know it's them. I do really dig the new song, I love the melodies and different things going on in the song. But the one thing the one thing that keeps me from saying that there is no issue with this new song would have to be the chorus. It isn't that Chino hasn't sang a chorus in the past on every record that repeats the song title with maybe one or two additional bars of lyrics. But this chorus almost does nothing for me. Everything else about the song is awesome, I really dig those other aspects. But it's the chorus to this song that I wish Chino took more time with. The song is three and a half minutes in length. Surely he could have taken a bit more effort and stretched the song out with a better chorus? Don't get me wrong though. This isn't some awful chorus or anything. Comparing it to other songs, this chorus is better than others. Every time I hear it though, all I am left thinking is that's it, that's all there is to the chorus of a song that in my head should have a much bigger, more fleshed out chorus to tie it all together...oh well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e--8XuvdiU

This is the best thing Linkin Park has ever done.

:laughing:

song is pretty good

Oof

there new album is hard to get into its boring and not that good

i wish they would of just totally change there sound or try something different its beyond time but they did the same ol same ol

I’m just glad Saturday Night Wrist exists. Excited af for the remix album

I'm not shocked that athletes and musicians believe **** like this. The path to being famous in either of those careers is not one that has a lot of critical thinking built-in. Not to **** on anyone, I wish I was a famous musician, but I don't expect them to be Noam Chomsky.

still sound huge to this day, been revisiting them every so often ever since I was in high school and first listened to them, they blew me away back then and still have songs that recall Hum and post-hardcore and shoegaze and even post-metal they slap so frickin hard

just like gore i having a hard time really getting into ohms

these albums aint bad but i just dont listen to them not stop like i did

Saturday night and DIamond ...i might be cus i have alot of stuff to listen 2