I see nothing wrong with telling someone to shutup if their wrong.
It cleary says at the top of the forum those bands aren't allowed.



Kashmir he asked for our opinions on classic rock in the thread and we think its overated jeez.

but why add another genre for it to happen in?

Yeah it probably will, but that is why boo boo and I both think that a combination of classic rock/prog. forum would be applicable. That way you would keep people who dont like prog. and dont like classic rock out of the threads related to both genres.

Then we would have to detail with classic rock/*genre bands* such as sabbath and the clash.
and you guys bitching about them.

I see yer point.

ya liked that ever stopped the people that dont like emo from posting in the emo forum

no ****, you should just put that in your sig. and quit saying it over and over and over in different threads. I get tired of your negativity that comes up in almost every new thread, and I think we all know your opinions on classic rock. I suppose that if there were a classic rock forum, you would just end up getting in it and posting the same **** so i guess theres no point in it.

^ I thought we all agreed to ignore this ****head

Incase you havn't noticed i dont go into forums to shit on the genre of music. Have i ever gone into the rap forum and posted anything negative? Dont be jerk you give me to much credit on being an ass hole.

have you ever posted an intelligent thread yet? You should try it sometime.

Kashmir quit with the flaming.
Im trying to stop i think you should make an effort too.

Emo and Rap regularly get bashed for one primary reason, they are popular.

Prog isnt popular enough for a bunch of dumbasse's to take enough time to make posts like "Prog BLows thankz god punk kill3d It LolZzZz" yet it would be just popular enough to have a forum that wont die down in just a week....Thats my opinion anyway.

And as for the if its rock it can be posted in the rock forum thing, why does Punk get a forum then?... Since punk isnt all that different from standard rock, its really not all that unique, prog is different, and as a whole, its just as huge as Metal and Punk, just without the media coverage and corperate suck ups.

Because as you said.
Punk is popular enough as is emo and hardcore which come from it.
Therefore more people would dicuss it.

Grow up. If you think that he is so wrong then be the bigger person and drop it and move on. It's not that hard and You haven't made the most intelligent threads either. Most of them are "Is so and so better than such and such" "Who is the Best blah...". So don't tell people what to do when you don't do it yourself. That is called being a hypocrite and hypocrits are the worse kind of people imaginable.

I think prog would have a solid forum here if there was one, its not as popular as Punk or Metal that is true, but its still more popular than you think, its certainly more popular than some of the genres that have gotten their own forums here (electronica, classical, etc)...If we had a prog forum, or a prog sub-forum, i would make sure it would get a lot of posters....So far, i have a lot of supporters on this forum, and my campaign hasnt even started yet.


Trust me, im a internet celebrity, i have several friends from forums past, and i could tell them about MB and get them to join...We'll have a party. :pimp:

I think you should take it up with gregb and have the thread closed..

im out laterr.

i love prog. and i think it deserves its own forum if there is an electronica forum for sure. I would post in it:)

Will add to my to do list, but for those who dont see a prog forum as being a possibility, just check the poll results, peace man. :pimp:

so bring them in, nobodys stopping you from posting prog bands. this isnt an anti prog site.

As for why is there electronica and classical forum, well you wouldnt go and put a herbie hancock thread in hip hop, or discuss beethoven in metal would you, its not a very good argument you got goin on.

I understand... But if you found a Mike Oldfield or Kate Bush thread in a rock and metal forum and below a korn thread, wouldnt you find that a little.... Wrong?

honestly the only song i can think of by kate bush is Rocket's Tail and ya, that is kinda a rock/blues style tune, and i cant think of anything off the top of my head from Mike Oldfield, but if he doesnt fit into any of the forums we already have, then theres alway "General Music"

Songs from Kate Bushs best period would be her early 70s material, as well as her work with David Gilmour.

Mike Oldfields most well known album would be Tubular Bells.

And you are probably right, but you never really answered my question about punk rock. It has its own forum, not a sub-forum in the rock forum but a forum of its own, thats not even what im asking for, all im asking for is a sub-forum, and i would certainly settle with having a forum for both prog and classic rock even though im not too fond of that idea, if it equals a prog forum, i am all for it.

Come to think of it, a Prog & Classic Rock forum would probably attract more posters than just a prog forum...And i also think that if one started a topic about the beatles, they would get less responses like this.

"DA Beetlezzz SUx, listen to Children of Bodom D00dz! L0lZzZ"

Since the rock forum is mostly threads about modern bands and there are several posters who seem convinced that everything before 1981 is crap, even though we are all aware that classic rock fans are alive and well on this forum...Like kashmir said, segretating classic rock fans who dont like modern music from fans of more contemporary music with little or no taste for classic rock would easin all the major tension between the two.

Yeah, i agree with Kashmir on something, i hope that dosent hurt my credibility. :(

bring it up with Gregb, he makes the final decision with any additional forums get built, i dont see the need for it though, honestly, i think it will end up just one more forum that the mods will have to clean up. the more specific you get for a forum, the more specific the threads will have to be. Right now you can pretty much post about any rock band in the rock forum and you wont have anybody saying it doesnt belong, because it isnt specific to a genre. The punk and Emo threads limit the types of band you can post and thats where we get alot of the crap we end up having to clean up. As to why there is a punk thread, well if you look at it, its discuss the punk scene, sure its a sub genre of rock, but the punk scene is pretty much against everything rock stands for (almost anyway), and like misfits said, its a popular genre. Emo got its own sub forum because of the arguments when ppl tried to post emo bands in the punk forum. emo bands definetly dont go in a punk forum, or a rock forum, but sure theres a connection between them all. all im saying is the more specific we make the forums, the more arguments will happen. but take it up with Greg, he may disagree and build it for you.

And so is the prog scene. "4/4 time is for losers", a common philosophy among progheads. ;)

Me or Merkaba could mod the prog forum, or both of us could...Either way, im sure that if someone makes a thread about simple plan, it will be locked before someone even posts on it.


And PM GregB i will do, it might be easier if he has AIM though, does he?

not sure, but hes on quite a bit, youd get a pretty quick response from him. If it does get built be prepared for the people who dont agree certain bands fit the genre, its bound to happend. everyone pretty much has their own idea of what certain genres are and which bands make up that genre, its inevitable and will definetly happend.

Well, Hookers and Merkaba asigned me for their rock history project, which is to clear up any confusion about genres. Obviously i will be working on prog history, i will do what i can to be specific enough without being too specific, if that makes any sense. :confused:

What makes a progressive rock band is based on some very specific characteristics(odd time sigs, lengthy compositions, diverse musical influences, etc), but at the time time, what makes a band prog can sometimes (but not always) be subjective. For example, theres no denying that Yes, King Crimson and ELP are prog, but weither or not bands like Queen, Radiohead or Tool qualify is often a matter of debate. Though, in my opinion they would qualify, they dont have all the characteristics of prog, but they do have enough to qualify, and ones subjective opinion should not effect the way the forum works, and i would certainly see to it that it wont. So if someone made a Styx thread, i wouldnt mind, but i would draw the line with bands who clearly fall into other genres of music.

To avoid people making threads about non-prog bands, perhaps we could have a thread where people could ask about or discuss the classification of a band.

That would be a great idea, something to consider. :thumb:

that is true there would be arguing whether or not a band is progressive. There are alot of borderline groups like queen, tull, styx, and others. I consider tool progressive because of songs like third eye, and practically the whole album lateralus is progressive.

I would consider Tull to be much more than borderline prog, if making a whole album with just one 40 minute long song isnt prog, i dont know what is. :D

Yeah , good point:o:

Some people consider the who progressive, I dont. What do you think is who progressive? Wont get fooled again is but theres not that many others by them that have prog. qualities to them, most are pretty straight forward rock like my generation.

It is possible for non prog bands to make a progressive album, i certainly dont consider The Who prog, however, in my opinion, Tommy qualifys as prog, its one of the first true concept albums ever made, and im sure that bands like Yes, Pink Floyd and VDGG learned a thing or two from that album when they decided to make their own concept album...Then there are many other examples of progessive albums from non prog artists, pretty much every song on Zeppelins Houses Of The Holy is in a odd time scale and the album itself is very un-zeppelin like, though not very successful The Soft Parade was the sound of The Doors taking a bold new direction and every hendrix album has a progressive song or two (third stone from the sun, if 6 was 9, 1983... a merman i should turn to be, etc) and The Beatles Sgt Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour and White Album all had major influence on the genre...Even The Smashing Pumpkins payed a little homage to prog with their double LP Mellon Collie...So yes, it is possible to make progressive music and still not be prog, just like how The Who and The Doors can make music that is punk rock even though they are not punk rock bands themselves, what seperates bands like The Who, Jimi Hendrix and Led Zeppelin from bands like Pink Floyd, King Crimson and Yes is that the former bands made some prog, but were still mainstream artists in general and stuck to standard rock n roll more than anything, while the latter artists were more devoted to making progressive music throughout their carreer...To be considered a true prog artist, you cant just make a progressive song or two and then move on to something more mainstream, you have to devote yourself to being progressive all the time.

If this forum were to succeed and be made, would this be an area for prog rock and prog metal, or just rock?

Btw, nice post Boo Boo, that basically cleared things up for some of the borderline prog bands.

Uh........ Prog, prog rock, prog metal, or just plain old prog without the rock or the metal (think Mike Oldfield)... Simply, anything prog and any sub-genre to prog, i will teach ye about the sub-genres of prog once i finish my prog history thread. (=

That makes since. I also consider physical graffiti to be even more prog. than HOTH becuase of tracks like in my time of dying, kashmir, ten years gone, and In the Light. Though no quarter, song remains the same and the rain song are progressive to an extent, I think all in all PG was more progressive. Houses of the holy was when they really started to experiment with different sounds alot, which is why I like it so much, and why I I'm such a zephead, is because of their diversity, I never get tired of listening to them as I do so many other bands. That was a well done post though, that makes it clear on those borderline prog. bands. Now can we please start a CR/Prog. forum, or are we forced to just keep talkin about it?:usehead: