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Music Man 12-07-2005 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
Hell, thats all im asking for, is that too much?...It dosent have to be a forum of its own, a sub-forum would do just fine.

I have no problem with a sub-forum, and don't think that you're asking too much.

JohnnyK 12-07-2005 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
You're from Tennessee? :yikes:

Where at?


Im a fellow Tennessian myself. :cool:

I'm from Chattanooga, it's nice to see a fellow Tennessean on the forums. :beer:

one_more_atrocity 12-08-2005 02:24 AM

i voted yes to having a prog forum, it would be nice to have more variety in the forums and to see a forum that will cover more to people's tastes if they like that sort of music and that cant be a bad thing, and i think that as long as new posts are put in there alot of the time i dont think it should suffer from a lack of intrest in it.

judas_priest 12-08-2005 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyK
A prog forum would be wonderful, prog is by far my favorite genre. Pink Floyd, Dream Theater, Yes, King Crimson, Opeth, Tool, The Moody Blues, Rush. These guys and many others need their own area for discussion.

Yeah, prog is a great genre- I'm a big fan of Rush and Dream Theater too.:)

Kashmir86 12-08-2005 11:06 AM

i think that there should be a classic rock forum. It would keep there from being a hell of a lot of arguing between the people who can appreciate classic rock and the people who think that it is old regurgitated garbage and that new music is the only way to go. then, maybe a prog. forum but only after a classic rock forum is made.

boo boo 12-08-2005 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
i think that there should be a classic rock forum. It would keep there from being a hell of a lot of arguing between the people who can appreciate classic rock and the people who think that it is old regurgitated garbage and that new music is the only way to go. then, maybe a prog. forum but only after a classic rock forum is made.

Classic Rock is not a genre, Prog is, i hope you can tell the difference.

Classic Rock would do fine in the rock and metal forum, Prog however is in much more need of a forum of its own.

Kashmir86 12-08-2005 11:30 AM

well then progressive rock would do fine in the rock and metal forum too then since it is progressive ROCK

boo boo 12-08-2005 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
well then progressive rock would do fine in the rock and metal forum too then since it is progressive ROCK

You are a idiot you do realize that.

Progressive rock is a genre of its own...Its about as far from traditional rock as any rock genre in existance, if Punk has its own forum, so should Prog...Classic Rock however is not a genre of its own, its just Rock period, its not a specific term, its just a lame way to put every popular rock band from the 60s and 70s into one catagory.

And that post clearly proves you know nothing about progressive rock, sure people call it "rock"...But the reason it is called "progressive rock" is because its as far from standard rock as humanly possible, its a "progression" from basic rock music, falling into a class all its own, you could call it "anti rock" for all i care....My point is, if i made a thread about Yes or Genesis, all the threads about Norma Jean and Slipknot would make those threads seem awfuly out of place, which is why i feel we could use a prog forum, or at least a prog sub forum.

Fenixpunk 12-08-2005 11:47 AM

hey boo boo, i didnt know you were from TN. I used to live in Paris, which is pretty much where all my relatives live now.
:offtopic:

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Kashmir86 12-08-2005 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
You are a idiot you do realize that.

Progressive rock is a genre of its own...Its about as far from traditional rock as any rock genre in existance, if Punk has its own forum, so should Prog...Classic Rock however is not a genre of its own, its just Rock period, its not a specific term, its just a lame way to put every popular rock band from the 60s and 70s into one catagory.

And that post clearly proves you know nothing about progressive rock, sure people call it "rock"...But the reason it is called "progressive rock" is because its as far from standard rock as humanly possible, its a "progression" from basic rock music, falling into a class all its own, you could call it "anti rock" for all i care....My point is, if i made a thread about Yes or Genesis, all the threads about Norma Jean and Slipknot would make those threads seem awfuly out of place, which is why i feel we could use a prog forum, or at least a prog sub forum.

my point exactly as to why we need a classic rock forum, to keep the slipknot and korn and green day etc. posts seperate from the beatles, zeppelin, stones, etc. posts. And last I knew i could hear pink floyd on my classic ROCK station, as i could hear yes, rush, genesis, jethro tull, the moody blues, even king crimson from now and then, so i consider prog. part of the rock genre

boo boo 12-08-2005 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
my point exactly as to why we need a classic rock forum, to keep the slipknot and korn and green day etc. posts seperate from the beatles, zeppelin, stones, etc. posts. And last I knew i could hear pink floyd on my classic ROCK station, as i could hear yes, rush, genesis, jethro tull, the moody blues, even king crimson from now and then, so i consider prog. part of the rock genre

They never play KC on classic rock radio what are you talking about?...The only Genesis they play is the phil collins stuff, which is barely prog at all, and they mostly only play Pink Floyd and Rush's least progressive songs, i hope you dont consider Another Brick In A Wall Part 2 prog...When was the last time you heard Echoes on the radio?.... Or 2112 in its entirity?...When do you ever hear Close to the Edge, Thick As A Brick, Suppers Ready or Tarkus on the radio?...Give me a break...Classic rock is simply any form of rock music that was popular during that era, the fact that Journey and Black Sabbath are both considered classic rock proves my point, its a silly silly term,


HOWEVER...Just so you will shut up, i wouldnt mind if we had a sub forum for Prog AND Classic rock, which would save more bandwidth than two seperate forums, and yes as much as i would hate to pair Prog with (vomits) classic rock, im willing to do anything for a prog forum, ANYTHING!

Kashmir86 12-08-2005 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
They never play KC on classic rock radio what are you talking about?...The only Genesis they play is the phil collins stuff, which is barely prog at all, and they mostly only play Pink Floyd and Rush's least progressive songs, i hope you dont consider Another Brick In A Wall Part 2 prog...When was the last time you heard Echoes on the radio?.... Or 2112 in its entirity?...When do you ever hear Close to the Edge, Thick As A Brick, Suppers Ready or Tarkus on the radio?...Give me a break...Classic rock is simply any form of rock music that was popular during that era, the fact that Journey and Black Sabbath are both considered classic rock proves my point, its a silly silly term,


HOWEVER...Just so you will shut up, i wouldnt mind if we had a sub forum for Prog AND Classic rock, which would save more bandwidth than two seperate forums, and yes as much as i would hate to pair Prog with (vomits) classic rock, im willing to do anything for a prog forum, ANYTHING!

they have played it over on the station here, as they have played echoes and shine on both, which are some of floyds most progressive and longest songs, and every night at midnight they play a whole album in its entirety with no commercials, in which they have played 2112 before. Maybe i just have a really good classic rock station here, i suppose those prog. bands are never played on classic rock stations anywhere else i guess. and another brick in the wall pt. 2 i do consider progressive, because it is part of a 3 part progressive song, which they play all 3 parts of on my station over here. Obviously certain songs by floyd like young lust are much less progressive than others, but nonetheless they are still a progressive band. Maybe i am the only one that sees classic rock seperate from all rock and metal, but i think there would be a lot less arguing between people like me and bunglalow bill and alexisonfire, who apparently despise classic rock i guess. How can your name be bungalowbill if you think classic rock is overrated:crazy:

judas_priest 12-08-2005 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
if Punk has its own forum, so should Prog...

Exactly. Prog should have its own forum as it is a recognised genre, and I'm sure there must be lots of prog fans on this site.

I agree that classic rock should have it's own sub-forum within rock and metal too though. I think both are great genres.

boo boo 12-08-2005 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by judas_priest
Exactly. Prog should have its own forum as it is a recognised genre, and I'm sure there must be lots of prog fans on this site.

I agree that classic rock should have it's own sub-forum within rock and metal too though. I think both are great genres.

Well, this is where i disagree, i dont consider Classic Rock a genre.

boo boo 12-08-2005 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
they have played it over on the station here, as they have played echoes and shine on both, which are some of floyds most progressive and longest songs, and every night at midnight they play a whole album in its entirety with no commercials, in which they have played 2112 before. Maybe i just have a really good classic rock station here, i suppose those prog. bands are never played on classic rock stations anywhere else i guess. and another brick in the wall pt. 2 i do consider progressive, because it is part of a 3 part progressive song, which they play all 3 parts of on my station over here. Obviously certain songs by floyd like young lust are much less progressive than others, but nonetheless they are still a progressive band. Maybe i am the only one that sees classic rock seperate from all rock and metal, but i think there would be a lot less arguing between people like me and bunglalow bill and alexisonfire, who apparently despise classic rock i guess. How can your name be bungalowbill if you think classic rock is overrated:crazy:

Just shut up and settle on this, if classic rock does get a forum, it should share it with prog, the same way rock shares a forum with metal...Would that apease you?... No?

judas_priest 12-08-2005 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
Well, this is where i disagree, i dont consider Classic Rock a genre.

Yeah, maybe not a genre but it does definitely sound different to rock music today, so it can be grouped separately.
Anyway, I think the idea of a combined prog/classic forum is good.

Kashmir86 12-08-2005 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
Just shut up and settle on this, if classic rock does get a forum, it should share it with prog, the same way rock shares a forum with metal...Would that apease you?... No?

that would be a great idea i think, because alot of the same people who can appreciate classic rock also appreciate prog. at least i do and know plenty others who do. Wow, did we just agree on something?:)

boo boo 12-08-2005 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
that would be a great idea i think, because alot of the same people who can appreciate classic rock also appreciate prog. at least i do and know plenty others who do. Wow, did we just agree on something?:)

Yeah what are the odds?

Btw, purple winged elephants are flying out my ass right now.

hiu 12-08-2005 12:49 PM

I think you should get the other forums up to a respectable standard before think about more forums.

Kashmir86 12-08-2005 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsInTheNight
I think you should get the other forums up to a respectable standard before think about more forums.

do forums ever get to a respectable standard?

boo boo 12-08-2005 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
do forums ever get to a respectable standard?

When they are run right, yes.

iRock 12-08-2005 01:28 PM

Great idea. i hope it happens, i love prog.

that would be perfect because i was just about to make a thread about my favorite band, which is prog. oh well, i guess ill have to make it in the rock section.

boo boo 12-08-2005 01:39 PM

So far, we have these fellow prog fans who would like to see this forum happen.

Lespaul43
Judas Priest
iRock
Music Man
One More Atrocity
Johnny K
Me

:)

JohnnyK 12-08-2005 01:59 PM

I'm proud to be part of the 7 man Prog petition.

The idea of a classic rock/prog forum is not ideal but would be much better than nothing.

Muzak 12-08-2005 03:14 PM

Hey, I vote yes too! *sad face*

boo boo 12-08-2005 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzak
Hey, I vote yes too! *sad face*

Ok, a 8 man prog petition it is. :)

Kashmir86 12-09-2005 12:21 PM

i think there should be one too, only if there is a classic rock one as well or a combo, but i think that pretty much everyone hates me on here so my vote doesnt really count

stymie 12-09-2005 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsInTheNight
I think you should get the other forums up to a respectable standard before think about more forums.

this is a good quote to weigh in on on this issue. i happen to agree with you as well razors. forums get respectable when the folks inhabiting them do. having more forums spreads the subject matter, specializes the discussion but if the folks that pass through or stick around and contribute attack, what's the use of that.

as far as the progressive issue? rock's rock to me. progressive has always meant more a format than a specific type of music. format like in the radio playlist sense. we have a public radio station that comes from a college campus here in baltimore. you can hear johnny cash then next the grateful dead...then muddy waters...then coheed and cambria, rancid, and jack white and lorretta lynn. that's progressive to me. the songs don't follow any sort of pigeon-holed idea of a specific genre. it's just rock. rock's rock.

i'm new here and i chose this rock/metal forum because it best describes my taste. i get the feeling i'm a bit older than the average contributor here and i like that because i get new ideas on what could be worth listening too. but not if i have to wade through a bunch of bullsh$t to get to useful suggestions.

my vote? bring on the new forum, leave the crap at the door man!

s

Kashmir86 12-09-2005 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stymie
this is a good quote to weigh in on on this issue. i happen to agree with you as well razors. forums get respectable when the folks inhabiting them do. having more forums spreads the subject matter, specializes the discussion but if the folks that pass through or stick around and contribute attack, what's the use of that.

as far as the progressive issue? rock's rock to me. progressive has always meant more a format than a specific type of music. format like in the radio playlist sense. we have a public radio station that comes from a college campus here in baltimore. you can hear johnny cash then next the grateful dead...then muddy waters...then coheed and cambria, rancid, and jack white and lorretta lynn. that's progressive to me. the songs don't follow any sort of pigeon-holed idea of a specific genre. it's just rock. rock's rock.

i'm new here and i chose this rock/metal forum because it best describes my taste. i get the feeling i'm a bit older than the average contributor here and i like that because i get new ideas on what could be worth listening too. but not if i have to wade through a bunch of bullsh$t to get to useful suggestions.

my vote? bring on the new forum, leave the crap at the door man!

s

I respect you. Its nice to see someone who can express their opinion in a civilized manner. I would really like to find a way however to separate fans of newer rock from the fans of older rock music or dare i say classic rock like myself. I am tired of saying something about zeppelin, floyd, beatles, etc. and having someone who does not and apparently cannot appreciate them say sometihng ignorant like zeppelin sucks or keep kissing zeppelins ass etc. If there was a way of keeping those who have no interest in classic rock bands out and into their own forum of more modern music i think it would be greatly benificial. Is there anyone else out there who agrees or is it just me? Slipknot and the Beatles just dont seem to me like they should share the same forum.

JohnnyK 12-09-2005 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
I am tired of saying something about zeppelin, floyd, beatles, etc. and having someone who does not and apparently cannot appreciate them say sometihng ignorant like zeppelin sucks or keep kissing zeppelins ass etc. If there was a way of keeping those who have no interest in classic rock bands out and into their own forum of more modern music i think it would be greatly benificial. Is there anyone else out there who agrees or is it just me? .

Just come to my classic rock thread. :thumb:

Kashmir86 12-09-2005 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyK
Just come to my classic rock thread. :thumb:

I think i have if i remember its the one where i got attacked by like 10 people for taking a liking to classic rock

JohnnyK 12-09-2005 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
I think i have if i remember its the one where i got attacked by like 10 people for taking a liking to classic rock

:laughing: C'mon man, it was just Bungalo Bill. And what can I say, that man just has it in for you. It is stupid though, if you don't like CR, then you shouldn't post in the CR thread!

boo boo 12-09-2005 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir86
I respect you. Its nice to see someone who can express their opinion in a civilized manner. I would really like to find a way however to separate fans of newer rock from the fans of older rock music or dare i say classic rock like myself. I am tired of saying something about zeppelin, floyd, beatles, etc. and having someone who does not and apparently cannot appreciate them say sometihng ignorant like zeppelin sucks or keep kissing zeppelins ass etc. If there was a way of keeping those who have no interest in classic rock bands out and into their own forum of more modern music i think it would be greatly benificial. Is there anyone else out there who agrees or is it just me? Slipknot and the Beatles just dont seem to me like they should share the same forum.

Nor should Mahavishnu Orchestra and Weezer share the same forum, which is what i have been saying forever. ;)

Im ok with combining classic rock and prog in one forum.......As long as no one starts calling AC/DC and Lynyrd Skynyrd prog.

bungalow 12-09-2005 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyK
:laughing: C'mon man, it was just Bungalo Bill. And what can I say, that man just has it in for you. It is stupid though, if you don't like CR, then you shouldn't post in the CR thread!

Hahaha......STFU
I do like classic rock......at least some.
I'm very much so allowed to say that it is overrated.
I even believe that I pointed out which classic rock bands I like as well.
And now matter what.
Kashmir will always be an dumbass ignorant ****er

Kashmir86 12-09-2005 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
Nor should Mahavishnu Orchestra and Weezer share the same forum, which is what i have been saying forever. ;)

Im ok with combining classic rock and prog in one forum.......As long as no one starts calling AC/DC and Lynyrd Skynyrd prog.

AC/DC is so far from progressive its not even funny. But I agree, some ignorant person is gonna get confused, but its better than the mess we've got now.

Fenixpunk 12-09-2005 10:18 PM

its not too hard to comprehend. If you wanna post about a prog band, do it in the rock forum, if you wanna post about a classic rock band, do it in the rock forum. As long as you arent posting about these type of bands in the rap or country forum, nobody should get confused. Its when there is a specific forum for genres is when people start pulling the whole "thats not blah and blah, that should be in the blah and blah forum". Take a look at the emo and punk forums, everytime someone post a band, theres always some dumbass complaining about how thats not that genre and it should go somewhere else. By adding more subgenres than there already are is just asking for more of these types of posts.

sleepy jack 12-09-2005 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenixpunk
its not too hard to comprehend. If you wanna post about a prog band, do it in the rock forum, if you wanna post about a classic rock band, do it in the rock forum. As long as you arent posting about these type of bands in the rap or country forum, nobody should get confused. Its when there is a specific forum for genres is when people start pulling the whole "thats not blah and blah, that should be in the blah and blah forum". Take a look at the emo and punk forums, everytime someone post a band, theres always some dumbass complaining about how thats not that genre and it should go somewhere else. By adding more subgenres than there already are is just asking for more of these types of posts.

Im sick of seeing.
"OmfG liek s1mpleznplanz the himz are t3h c00lestz punk bandz ever BAM 4 LIFE!!"
People that consider HIM and MCR punk should be told off.
So dont reffer to all people that do that as a "dumbass".
For hookers did it too before he went a sissy and became a mod.

Fenixpunk 12-09-2005 10:22 PM

^thats exactly my point

Kashmir86 12-09-2005 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenixpunk
its not too hard to comprehend. If you wanna post about a prog band, do it in the rock forum, if you wanna post about a classic rock band, do it in the rock forum. As long as you arent posting about these type of bands in the rap or country forum, nobody should get confused. Its when there is a specific forum for genres is when people start pulling the whole "thats not blah and blah, that should be in the blah and blah forum". Take a look at the emo and punk forums, everytime someone post a band, theres always some dumbass complaining about how thats not that genre and it should go somewhere else. By adding more subgenres than there already are is just asking for more of these types of posts.

I disagree. When you post about a classic rock band, then you get someone saying that classic rock sucks, its overrated, so on and so forth. Then you get someone praising slipknot, and classic rock fans cringing at it. It happens left and right. I think the fans of modern rock need to be separated from classic rock, period. It gets old having the same old arguments come up over and over and over. And then theres people who post a thread specific to classic rock discussion, and right away you get 2 people who post threads basically saying they dont like classic rock and its overrated, whats the point of that?

Fenixpunk 12-09-2005 10:24 PM

and you think that wont happen in a prog forum?


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