THE ONLY Tool Thread (dancing, country, instrumental, album, effects)

[DontRunMeOver]

Sure thing Ethan.

[sleepy jack]

Ah hell yeah, I did it. Did it perfect. I'm so awesome.
Um anyway, continue the debate.

[Stone Magnet]

The same thing would be listening to songs by the same artist.

If you listen to seven songs by Tool, then listen to seven other songs by Tool, it is not the same thing.

How is that presupposition nonsensical?

Simple - you can't criticize something you have yet to perceive.

To listen to a Tool album would take how long? Half an hour? An hour?

An hour and five to ten minutes.

But I wouldn't understand it the first time, right

You might, you might not.

And for what? To fully understand that they weren't actually playing the same riff over and over and over?

Music can change people's lives. I hated Tool at first, but once I really listened to them, they quickly became one of my favourite bands. I'm not saying the same will happen to everyone else, but it's always a possibility.

You might have made the assumption that the songs were all from the same album.

Judging from what you've stated about these seven songs, I said it's likely that the songs you heard were from two of Tool's earlier, less progressive albums.

which I would have said were a bit more boundary-breaking than old moaning Maynard and co.

So because you've written an essay about a boundary-breaking piece of music, you automatically know more than everyone else does about every other boundary-breaking genre or band out there? You know more about Igor Stravinsky than I do, and I know more about Tool than you do, but we're not arguing about Igor Stravinsky or any sort of classical music, are we?

[DontRunMeOver]

Originally Posted by Stone Magnet

So because you've written an essay about a boundary-breaking piece of music, you automatically know more than everyone else does about every other boundary-breaking genre or band out there? You know more about Igor Stravinsky than I do, and I know more about Tool than you do, but we're not arguing about Igor Stravinsky or any sort of classical music, are we?

Well, not if you are 'significantly incompetent' in that area like you allege I am in progressive rock/metal.

And which essay are you referring to exactly? When did I say anything about writing an essay?

[Stone Magnet]

When did I say anything about writing an essay?

"I got an A for my A-level music paper about the Rite of Spring"

[DontRunMeOver]

Originally Posted by Stone Magnet

"I got an A for my A-level music paper about the Rite of Spring"

And where does the word essay feature in that sentence? It doesn't. Not all exam papers are essays. Almost every music examination I've ever taken has involved either playing, listening to or writing music. In the case of listening tests, this involved understanding the pitches, textures and rhythms involved and how they relate to the music. These have been mostly specific questions to test how well you actually understand the music which is being played, how the notes relate to each other and how they show different influences and new ideas... not single essay topics designed for you to ramble to and to show how well you learnt your teacher's classroom spiel.

I know more about Tool than you do

Maybe, although I'm not sure what form this knowledge takes when you have to cut and paste a quote from the drummer to say what time signatures his drumbeat is using instead of just listening to the song and telling us yourself.

[No1]

Still need to here all the songs out of the album, but so far from what I herd I really loved it!

[Stone Magnet]

Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

And where does the word essay feature in that sentence? It doesn't.

"Paper" is usually used as a slang term for an "essay" where I come from. Sorry.

I'm not sure what form this knowledge takes when you have to cut and paste a quote from the drummer to say what time signatures his drumbeat is using instead of just listening to the song and telling us yourself.

I could have just said it, but I thought it'd be a bit more tenable if I typed out the entire excerpt. It wasn't cut-and-pasted.

[beat yr own KID]

tool = yawn


Discuss.

[Stone Magnet]

Originally Posted by beat yr own KID

Discuss.