Its a ****ing great album. I was hooked after the first listen. Its a great album musically and ,with the amazing cover art, visaully aswell

...and there were how many threads on this????

thank you donkey

as to the other guy sorry i only saw one and it was already closed so i couldnt post

according to search only about 2 or 3

^yes but they all dedicated to this album..one with downloads, and reviews

Hey so on the note of awesome artwork (some 4 pages back, ha!), I got a Salival Box Set last week. VHS version unfortunately, but authentic none the less. Anyway, the artbook that includes the C.D is pretty awesome, it's a nice hardback booklet that has some colourful live pictures of the band and various Salival artwork.
The track, LAMC, sucks. Other then that it's a wicked compilation of various crap.

Lol. Maynard's Dick makes up for it.

EDIT: I mean the song.

:rofl:

When i first got the cd i didnt like it but its been a few weeks and its starting to grow on me. its still probably my least favorite of theirs but its slowly getting better. my favorite song is Rosetta Stoned and my least is Lipan Conjuring, that song is just flat out stupid.

It's not a song.

I think his point is that it is a worthless track. Of course Tool always has filler tracks, but thats just because they are a pretty lazy band.

They're called segues. Many of them represent something, or are just there as some kind of jest. A couple of the segues do drag on a little longer than is necessary, but Lipan Conjuring? Come on. It's one minute long, and Danny has confirmed that it is there for a reason.

A lazy band? They put more effort into their album art and packaging than any band I've ever seen, not to mention their absolutely stunning videos. And this isn't even getting into the music itself.

just because its one minute long dosnt mean its not a song. i mean alot of Misfits songs are less than 2 minutes, are they not songs? that song (Lipan) pisses me off thats all i was saying. its a sh***y song thats all there is too it.

Napalm Death has a 3 second long song. Most hardcore punk songs are about a minute give or take 20 seconds on average.

It's not a fucking song, you cretin. I just explained that. Now where are we? Right back where we started, again. Me trying to explain your own asininity to you, succeeding an unwitting, inane comment appertaining to you.

"Rain forty days, please fucking rain to wash these turds off my fucking life! Wash these human wastes of flesh and bone off this planet! I pray to you, God, to kill these fucking people!"
- Bill Hicks

ello..its not a song.......its lenght doesnt matter.., its like stom megnet said, its a trasition...the songs good too..it also has a purpose..its a native american chant..or something like it....

They do "filler" stuff on all of their albums but the fact is that it has meaning. On undertow they have blank tracks so that the album will be 69:11 and Aenema has many trasition tracks most notoriously the intro to third eye, Lateralus has the alien attack crap, I'm not sure what track it is on 10,000 there's that guy in the hospital, Tool is a band that doesn't do things on the surface (does anyone know that code thing, of the way you're really suppose to play one of your albums and it means something, er, am I being too vague?) It all has meaning and a purpose

Each track is one second long, and together they add less than a minute to the album. It's no different from adding a bit of silence before a 'hidden' track. Without the silences, the album would've still been 68 minutes long.

Yeah, Ænima had a few, but (-) Ions is the only that should have been shortened.

It's only three minutes long, and it's not composed of drawn-out noises like (-) Ions and Viginti Tres.

That track is the intro to Rosetta Stoned. It's not a segue.

They are not 'filler' tracks. "Lipan Conjuring" is not on 10,000 Days for the sole purpose of increasing the album's length. The same goes for any other segue on any other Tool album.

I was saying that 69:11 has a meaning, sex.

Edit: Did you not read this?
Because I'm not sure what you're getting at, I never said those tracks were used to increase album length and, they're not.

why dont you show my whole post where i said how it is a song. look, i consider Lipan a song cause it actually has something too it i dont count something like the 1 second tracks on Undertow as songs. dispite whether or not you consider it a song its still g ** and pointless. i dont care if there is some meaning behind it its retarded. all im saying is that of all the songs/tracks/"segues" whatever on that cd its the worst one. now stone magnet quit trying to start arguments over stupid crap, its just dumb.

"my favorite song is Rosetta Stoned and my least is Lipan Conjuring, that song is just flat out stupid."

You referred to it as a song twice in one sentence.

If there is a meaning behind it, then it isn't pointless.

I'm not arguing, just illuminating the dolts of the forum.

The music is all I care about, the album could come wrapped in a paper bag for all I care (it worked for In through the out door). The music is all I care about nothing else. An album cover will make me say "hey, thats a cool album cover" but nothing else. The band is about 15 years old and only has 5 albums. Most bands don't take 5 god damn years to release an album. A lot of bands that haven't been around as long have more albums. While I will agree they put a lot of work into their albums, it didn't show on 10,000 days. To me it seemed they put more work into the art than the music.

Just because it has meaning to it doesn't mean it isn't worthless. I'm sure that "Oops I did it again" has SOME meaning to it, you gonna go run out and buy it? It's not worthless? What about the song mantra? Some retarted ass stoner can smoke up listen to it and say "yeah i get what they're saying here" that still makes it worthless. In fact I could fart into a mic and you'd probably find some meaning to it, and I'd stick it on my album and people would defend it. As for pointing out the dolts on this forum, who is the dolt, the people on here who actually argue about music, or the guy who is just a whinly little bitch and finds any reason to satisfy his PMS urges with dumb worthless arguments? You can have whatever opinion you want, if the first track you skip to is Lipen conjuring, than fine thats cool, all he said was that its his least favorite song on the CD and that he thought it was worthless, but because of you and your pointless ass arguments this thread should be retitled "is lipen conjuring a song" thread.

The music is the central element, yes, but Tool is a very artistic band. Music is not the only type of art out there.

Most bands also don't evolve as much between albums as Tool do either.

Quality, not quantity.

You may not like the album, but they clearly put a lot of work into 10,000 Days. The epic doublets on the album (Wings For Marie/10,000 Days & Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned) alone prove this.

I wouldn't call those epic....

And I had said going into this CD that it was cool that they were taking so long, because I figured it was going to be awesome, but alas it wasn't.

And why not?

Epic makes me think of Dante's Inferno, Majesty, songs that take you on a journey, not put you to sleep. But to each his own.

I think they did a good job with the album. It isn't their best but I actually enjoy it more than Lateralus. It has something secular that they never had before. It took me about a month to worm up to it and then it hit me as a really good album.

You must be conceptually incompetent if you are unable to recognize the odysseys environed by Wings For Marie/10,000 Days and Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned.

You must be musically incompetent if the said monuments put you into any sort of a dormant state.

Well I'm getting kind of sick of the personal insults on this forum. I said to each his own, and as I also said the beauty of Tool is that not everyone is going to like it or hate it. I found the songs boring, as for any Odysseys in the song they would be completly lyrical, which isn't enough for me. In fact lyrics are the last thing I care about in a song. I can even like retarted cookie cutter Bush Basher lyrics if the music is good, and it's sung well. While I haven't looked up the lyrics to the album I can assume from a lyrical stand point that like all Tool albums it is perfect, but that isn't one of my priorities in the music I listen too.

I never insulted you personally. Note the 'if's.

Partly musical, partly lyrical. The music only situates the atmosphere and spirit of the song. It can temperately tell a story, but the lyrics work as concrete. They solidify what the song is about and assist in the conveying of a message. The lyrics and music work together to propel the listener on an odyssey.

I suppose if thats what you like, but as I said lyrics don't do a whole lot for me. They are welcome but lyrics have never made or broken a song for me.

I somewhat agree. Lyrics have never broken a song for me (we'll exclude pop music to make this statement true) but then some lyrics have made a song for me, songs like Aenima and Reflection.
Reflection could be considered hard to sit through but the lyrics are quite spiritual and do make a significant difference to the song. It starts to feel like a journey rather then 11 minutes of tribal music. While Aenima's lyrics engulf the listener with emotion's of dispair and rage, situated perfectly alongside the music.
Tool's magic lies in their ability to match the tone of the music to the theme and emotion of the lyrics. Think about this for a second, apply it to songs like 'The Grudge', 'Bottom', 'Ticks and Leeches', '10,000 Days', 'Aenima'.

10,000Days particularly, if you don't pay much due to the idea of the lyrics then chances are it's going to be a long 12 minutes. Maynard sings with a sense of sorrow and grievance, thus the music is cold and errie. Probably not much fun if you don't really feel the want to put yourself in his position.

10,000 Days' musical climaxes = Awesome.

Wings For Marie isn't too exciting though, musically.

Vicarious is an awesome song, and so is Jambi, but the rest of the cd is too repetitive for my taste, their too long and they have really long Intros.The recordings sound like the singer is standing on the other side of the room b/c you can barely hear him. i like the first couple of songs though.

Am I the only person who literally cried when they first heard this album? I'm just that much of a fanboy?

There's a "secret" song when you play Viginti trees and Wings for Marie in sequence at the same time as 10,000 days. Amazing.
So, who knows of all the other secret tool stuff?

tool doesnt suck lol @ ignorance

Ugh, how come its ignorance when someone says a band you like sucks but when you say a band sucks its unquestionable fact?

Because that the truth fool

Well I don't think we should attack tdoc when he's on the right path. Saying a band sucks is usually bad form, save for when you think a member sucks, a la scott stapp.