Bob Dylan Vs Neil Young

Howard the Duck · 04-17-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Surell

That's unfortunate, i didn't realize Dylan fans were such conservative pricks (though it's not surprising). The first two genres seem pretty reasonable, though Electronica doesn't really seem like it'd suit him.

I don't know if Young's experiments are entirely welcome by his traditional fans, but I think he's to self-confident and fuck-youish to really care anyway.

i think he's still pretty much concerned with selling records and not losing his fan base, cos it'll pay for his descendants

VanDerGraaf · 04-18-2012, 03:59 AM

dylan is a big city drifter and neil young is an urban cowboy. dylan is more frank but neil young is more too the point.

blastingas10 · 04-18-2012, 11:40 AM

Ya Dylan experimented. Just listen to his first few album and then listen to highway 61 or blonde on blonde. Songs like "highway 61 revisited" and "desolation row" and "leopard skin pillbox hat" show that he was certainly experimenting with his style. While the instrumentation may not be experimental, the lyrics and vocals were and there was really nobody making music like that at the time. And he was successful with it which is one of the reasons that frank Zappa gave him some praise.

Neapolitan · 04-18-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

Neil never looked as cool as this when he was young, though:-

Great picture of Zimmie with a pre-CBS (?) Fender Jazz Bass

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Blues certainly was a part of bands like cream and hendrix but still it was quite a bit different. Whether or not all those genres are part of the counter-culture and The Band, The Band is obviously a lot different from the counter-culture. As Howard said, The Band was somewhat of a rebellion against the scene at the time.

I can understand why they wouldn't feel a part of it. But anyway I didn't make any comments on the Band's relationship to the counter-culture at the time. Usually people do not rebel against what comes after them, it's almost like you saying Madonna is somewhat of a rebellion against Adelle. The members in The Band were playing together before any scene of the late 60s arrived. You know they were a back-up band for Ronnie Hawkins (and also Bob Dylan) right?

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I highly suggest that you do not take the byrds word on Dylan songs. They had some alright covers but they're nothing compared to the original Dylan songs.

It was a recommendation meant for Surell. I thought it was a good way to be introduced to Dylan's style of songwriting if one was not too familiar with his work. The Byrds were the one of the best of the American bands of 60s. They had two very influential guitar players: Roger McGuinn and Clarence White (who joined later). Bob definitely had a knack for songwriting, combine that with their guitar playing and it's great music even if it's not critically acclaimed by some...

...it's more than shaking your whammy bar

blastingas10 · 04-19-2012, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Great picture of Zimmie with a pre-CBS (?) Fender Jazz Bass

I can understand why they wouldn't feel a part of it. But anyway I didn't make any comments on the Band's relationship to the counter-culture at the time. Usually people do not rebel against what comes after them, it's almost like you saying Madonna is somewhat of a rebellion against Adelle. The members in The Band were playing together before any scene of the late 60s arrived. You know they were a back-up band for Ronnie Hawkins (and also Bob Dylan) right?

It was a recommendation meant for Surell. I thought it was a good way to be introduced to Dylan's style of songwriting if one was not too familiar with his work. The Byrds were the one of the best of the American bands of 60s. They had two very influential guitar players: Roger McGuinn and Clarence White (who joined later). Bob definitely had a knack for songwriting, combine that with their guitar playing and it's great music even if it's not critically acclaimed by some...

...it's more than shaking your whammy bar

Yes, I know. I'm sure I'm one of the biggest fans of them here, they're one of my favorite bands. their first album didn't come out till the counter-culture era, which is why I said it.

They also backed John Hammond on one of his albums in their early career, which is who recommended them to Dylan. They also were playing with Sonny Boy Williamson and had planned on collaborating with him but he passed away before they got the chance.

DropThaSystem · 11-18-2012, 12:39 AM

Neil Young. I love his guitar playing. He's also a really good singer. Not saying Bob Dylan isn't good. I just prefer Neil Young.

Isbjørn · 11-18-2012, 01:58 AM

Both are good, but I prefer Neil Young.

Surell · 11-18-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Ya Dylan experimented. Just listen to his first few album and then listen to highway 61 or blonde on blonde. Songs like "highway 61 revisited" and "desolation row" and "leopard skin pillbox hat" show that he was certainly experimenting with his style. While the instrumentation may not be experimental, the lyrics and vocals were and there was really nobody making music like that at the time. And he was successful with it which is one of the reasons that frank Zappa gave him some praise.

O yeah, you can say "at that time" but we're not talking at that time, we're talking here and now, with the test of time at hand, as well as the bonus question of how they're doing now, and as far as experimentation goes, what he did then doesn't sound as fresh or shocking as Neil's early experimentation, and what he does now does not derive from any previously laid style like Neil Young's has at least considering his earliest material. If you make a time line for the two artists, i'm sure you'd find more variation on Neil's chart than Dylan's.

Neapolitan I just recognized the condescension in your comment. Thanks. Fuck that, because who the hell else sounds like Neil when they play guitar? And what whammy bar is the secret ingredient to that? These questions are mostly rhetorical but go ahead and answer them if you so please.

William_the_Bloody · 11-18-2012, 11:32 PM

For me Neil Young by a mile. Bob Dylan may have been an icon for a generation, but Neil Young has remained an icon through decades by continoully putting out relevent material.

He played great classic rock througout the 60's and early 70's, and then switched with the times in the late 70's & 80's by tapping into the punk and new wave era, he then did the same for the grunge crowd in the 90's.

He is now in his late 60's and is still putting out good stuff.

Neil Young's latest album

Rock N' Roll Clown · 11-19-2012, 11:12 AM

Speaking of "Here and now", what do you think?

Neil Young - Psychedelic Pill

vs

Bob Dylan - Tempest

04-18-2012, 11:40 AM	#143 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Ya Dylan experimented. Just listen to his first few album and then listen to highway 61 or blonde on blonde. Songs like "highway 61 revisited" and "desolation row" and "leopard skin pillbox hat" show that he was certainly experimenting with his style. While the instrumentation may not be experimental, the lyrics and vocals were and there was really nobody making music like that at the time. And he was successful with it which is one of the reasons that frank Zappa gave him some praise. Last edited by blastingas10; 04-18-2012 at 11:50 AM.

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DropThaSystem Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: The world may never know Posts: 69	Neil Young. I love his guitar playing. He's also a really good singer. Not saying Bob Dylan isn't good. I just prefer Neil Young. __________________ *"Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?"*

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Isbjørn cooler commie than elph Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In a hole, help Posts: 2,811	Both are good, but I prefer Neil Young. __________________ fast(ml) Hear me play the guitar Look, mom! I got a journal

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Rock N' Roll Clown Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 169	Speaking of "Here and now", what do you think? Neil Young - Psychedelic Pill vs Bob Dylan - Tempest __________________

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VanDerGraaf Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 54	dylan is a big city drifter and neil young is an urban cowboy. dylan is more frank but neil young is more too the point.

11-18-2012, 11:32 PM	#149 (permalink)
William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	For me Neil Young by a mile. Bob Dylan may have been an icon for a generation, but Neil Young has remained an icon through decades by continoully putting out relevent material. He played great classic rock througout the 60's and early 70's, and then switched with the times in the late 70's & 80's by tapping into the punk and new wave era, he then did the same for the grunge crowd in the 90's. He is now in his late 60's and is still putting out good stuff. Neil Young's latest album