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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1186390)

I think The Allman Brothers were definitely more technical than Zeppelin. Zeppelin played faster and harder so that could easily fool some people into thinking they were more technical than the Allmans. They Allmans wrote deeper, more complex songs; Zeppelin wrote simpler, more poppy songs. John Bohnam is great but the Allmans rhythm section was better, and they don't get near as much credit. Duane and Dickey Betts used Jazz techniques quite a bit in their guitar playing as well.

Just found this article, it's probably not true but still funny. I wish Duane would have kicked that douche bags ass

Robert Plant beaten up by Duane Allman in US

I really don't know why you're comparing the Allmans with Led Zeppelin here based around technicality. The Allmans played their own style of southern rock based around their own unique sound and Led Zep were certainly not playing fast to con people into believing that they were more technical than they actually were. The Allmans defined what Southern rock was, whilst Led Zep basically defined what hard rock was all about in the early 1970s.

Why? Because I think the allman brothers are every bit as good or even better and they don't get enough credit.

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1186499)

Why? Because I think the allman brothers are every bit as good or even better and they don't get enough credit.

They do get plenty of credit, but why would you think a southern rock band would get as much credit as a hard rock band? One genre is far more popular than the other and likely to appeal to a much larger audience, also Led Zep have influenced more artists than the Allmans ever could.

Comparing the Allmans to the Rolling Stones would be a better comparison, as both bands had a much heavier emphasis on American roots music, whilst Led Zeppelin only really focused properly on the blues angle.

southern rock bands like lynard skynard or molly hatchet, for example. dont recieve the credit they deserve for being just as good musically, if not better than most/some of the more popular hard/blues orientated rock bands.

I think the allman brothers stand out from any other southern rock band. They were more jazzy and bluesy and a lot better than any other southern rock bands.

Sorry if it's already been brought up, but Orchid is a beautiful piece by Iommi , and it is acoustic. Also Embryo, also acoustic and great.

The reason I have to choose Iommi over Page, even though I REALLY like LZ and Page, is imo Iommi pretty much invented the heavy metal riff. I mean there may have been others before him, but Iommi NAILED it.

Sabbath's first album is just sick, and the band is so tight they sound like they had been already playin' those songs 10 or 15 yrs.

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Originally Posted by cledussnow (Post 1187182)

Sorry if it's already been brought up, but Orchid is a beautiful piece by Iommi , and it is acoustic. Also Embryo, also acoustic and great.

Very true. I've always wondered if Embryo was a bass and guitar trade off or if Iommi was doing this one one instrument. If it's the latter I have even more admiration for that song.

Iommi has more versatility than you might think. He shows it in songs like "orchid", as already mentioned, and "planet caravan", for example.

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1186499)

Why? Because I think the allman brothers are every bit as good or even better and they don't get enough credit.

i am of the view they're excellent when they're jamming on stage

structured songs, not that awesome

To say their structured songs arent good is to say their albums aren't good, and that's absurd to me. "sweet Melissa", "blue sky", "little Martha", whipping post. The list goes on and on. They had some very well written songs and they turned those songs into great improvised jams for their live shows.