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OccultHawk 01-13-2021 10:48 AM

So what new album are you listening to next?

The Batlord 01-13-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155781)
He posted the song Ghost Rider then deleted it.

Yeah but you ninja'd me so there wasn't any point.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-13-2021 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155784)
So what new album are you listening to next?

I don't know, but probably Harvest by Neil Young, also because I'm a bit familiar to it, and Heart Of Gold is one of my top 70s songs. Or maybe I'll listen to songs instead of albums, probably from Moby Grape. I guess they must have been good if Led Zeppelin plagiarised from them!
P.S. I have to study, too, so sometimes I don't have enough time to listen to tons of entire albums and come back and coment the next day!

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 04:58 AM

I've never listened to a whole album by Hendrix. Which one's the best one to get started with?

Tristan_Geoff 01-15-2021 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156342)
I've never listened to a whole album by Hendrix. Which one's the best one to get started with?

Are You Experienced has no bad tracks, either version of it

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tristan_Geoff (Post 2156348)
Are You Experienced has no bad tracks, either version of it

OK, I'll start with that one, then, thanks.

Psy-Fi 01-15-2021 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156342)
I've never listened to a whole album by Hendrix. Which one's the best one to get started with?

I recommend the following, in order...

Are You Experienced (1967)
Axis:Bold as Love (1967)
Electric Ladyland (1968)
Band of Gypsys (1970)


If you like those, you can then explore his posthumous releases. There are a lot of them, though, so it can be a bit daunting when you start to dig into those albums.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2156350)
I recommend the following, in order...

Are You Experienced (1967)
Axis:Bold as Love (1967)
Electric Ladyland (1968)
Band of Gypsys (1970)


If you like those, you can then explore his posthumous releases. There are a lot of them, though, so it can be a bit daunting when you start to dig into those albums.

OK, thank you, I had already started listening to the avaible tracks of Electric Ladyland, I'll try to listen to Are You Experienced. By the way, I've searched for The Wind Cries Mary and Little Wing many times, but most of Jimi Hendrix's songs on youtube are banned here in Spain, and they're not avaible in spotify either. I'm lucky enough to have listened to Little Wing on the radio.
I also don't have any of his albums, so I guess it's gonna be a bit difficult.

Marie Monday 01-15-2021 06:26 AM

Yeah I saw that too when I tried to look it up on YouTube. Do you have Spotify?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2156354)
Yeah I saw that too when I tried to look it up on YouTube. Do you have Spotify?

Yes, but most tracks of Electric Ladyland aren't avaible. I'll see if I can listen to Are You Experienced.
I could also listen to a cover...But it's not the same thing. The reason I used to listen more to Clapton's version of Little Wing was because it was on youtube while the original one wasn't.
EDIT: And I'm not allowed to have any rock album if it's not prog or opera rock.

The Batlord 01-15-2021 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156355)
EDIT: And I'm not allowed to have any rock album if it's not prog or opera rock.

Say what now?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2156367)
Say what now?

I can listen to rock music when I'm on my own, but I'd never dare to tell my parents that I love The Beatles. They know that I like rock music, but we never talk about that at home.

SnakeSpiritDude 01-15-2021 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2155386)
Well, I'm a Spanish 14yr old and I want to listen to some stuff. Feel free to suggest anything. Also, sorry if my English isn't the best one. These are the bands/artists I usually listen to, I'd also like to know which of these do you like/dislike, just wanna meet people who love music!
The Beatles
Queen
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Deep Purple
Eric Clapton (specially with the Yardbirds, Cream, Derek and the Dominos)
The Who
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Genesis
Rainbow
Eagles
The Yardbirds
Jeff Beck
Dire Straits
Gary Moore
The Beach Boys
The Kinks (their melodies are perfect)
The Hollies (Bus Stop is one of the most beautiful tunes I've ever heard)
Jefferson Airplane
The Animals
Santana
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Simon & Garfunkel
Aretha Franklin
Van Morrison
AC/DC (but it depends a lot)
P.S.: I don't know why, I've never liked the Rolling Stones. I've tried really hard but I don't get them.
I don't like Bob Dylan either for the same reason (I like him as a songrwriter though)


Neil Young is pretty rad, he's the Canadian Bob Dylan, even tho you said you didn't like him. Eh. Also, Deep Purple rule!

The Batlord 01-15-2021 07:19 AM

But your parents are OK with prog rock for some reason? (opera rock isn't a thing)

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 07:31 AM

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opera rock
You never heard Tommy called a rock opera? She means concept albums.

The Batlord 01-15-2021 07:54 AM

Then why list it as a genre?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2156375)
But your parents are OK with prog rock for some reason? (opera rock isn't a thing)

Yes, cause they used to listen to some prog when they were young: Pink Floyd with Waters, The Who (Tommy and Quadrophenia), Genesis (specially with Peter Gabriel), and some of Queen's early albums (Queen II and Sheer Heart Attack) + Hotel California by Eagles (for some reason I still don't know). And that's everything.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SnakeSpiritDude (Post 2156373)
Neil Young is pretty rad, he's the Canadian Bob Dylan, even tho you said you didn't like him. Eh. Also, Deep Purple rule!

Well, I like Bob Dylan, but I don't understand why "Like A Rolling Stone" is the best song of all time.
Deep Purple obviously rules. I understand Robert Plant being no. 1 rock singer, but Ian Gillan is very close. Ritchie Blackmore was a very original guitarist, too.

SnakeSpiritDude 01-15-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156390)
Well, I like Bob Dylan, but I don't understand why "Like A Rolling Stone" is the best song of all time.
Deep Purple obviously rules. I understand Robert Plant being no. 1 rock singer, but Ian Gillan is very close. Ritchie Blackmore was a very original guitarist, too.

Gillan had a huge vocal range back then

Marie Monday 01-15-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156387)
Yes, cause they used to listen to some prog when they were young: Pink Floyd with Waters, The Who (Tommy and Quadrophenia), Genesis (specially with Peter Gabriel), and some of Queen's early albums (Queen II and Sheer Heart Attack Heart) + Hotel California by Eagles (for some reason I still don't know). And that's everything.

They only allow you to listen to the music they listen to? Oh my. This calls for some teenage rebellion, and you know what's great for that? Punk music! ;)
Also, it's not ok to tell anyone they should listen to Hotel California under any circumstance

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 09:27 AM

Ms. Rigby

Can you please cut the bull**** and start sharing your thoughts on the dozens of recommendations you’ve received?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SnakeSpiritDude (Post 2156393)
Gillan had a huge vocal range back then

Yes, I've always thought he was much better than Coverdale.
And Child In Time deserves more fame than Smoke On The Water (which I love, but I'm sick of listening to that riff)
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2156396)
They only allow you to listen to the music they listen to? Oh my. This calls for some teenage rebellion, and you know what's great for that? Punk music! ;)
Also, it's not ok to tell anyone they should listen to Hotel California under any circumstance

No, they don't, but I guess rock music isn't just OK at home, but that's it. And Hotel California is one of the best albums I've ever heard.
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2156398)
Ms. Rigby Can you please cut the bull**** and start sharing your thoughts on the dozens of recommendations you’ve received?

Alright! I've already talked about S. F. Sorrow. So let's go with The Velvet Underground, I've listened to "The Velvet Underground And Nico". Sunday Morning is ok, but I think that they were too...experimental, maybe? It was interesting and good, but I didn't get it very well I think, also because the lyrics were strange. And also, I don't know if I'm doing right by listening to full albums. Should I just listen to a song by each artist, so I can share my thoughts sooner?
P.S. And if someone has found a full Hendrix album on the internet, please let me know in which website did you find it!

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 11:11 AM

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I don't know if I'm doing right by listening to full albums.
You are.

So you’re tackling The Velvet Underground & Nico

Lyrically and musically that’s a lot at 14 but you can do it. Other posters here don’t agree with me entirely but some records are unassailable. That means they’re entirely beyond criticism. I know they teach you the difference between fact and opinion in school and that your take on art is an opinion not a fact. But what they don’t tell you is that there is art that transcends our right to think critically of it. The Velvet Underground & Nico is one of those. It’s perfect. We’re lucky to share the planet with a creation so beautiful. For you, it’s not even a matter of liking it or not liking it. As a person you are a part of a universal bond with a work of art of this magnitude. You already love it. It’s not about what you think about it. It’s about finding the you that’s already in there that already loves it. It’s a journey of self-discovery and not one of a musical discovery. The music has already been discovered and the jury is in.

Just stick with it. Close your eyes and melt into it.

Marie Monday 01-15-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156409)
Alright! I've already talked about S. F. Sorrow. So let's go with The Velvet Underground, I've listened to "The Velvet Underground And Nico". Sunday Morning is ok, but I think that they were too...experimental, maybe? It was interesting and good, but I didn't get it very well I think, also because the lyrics were strange. And also, I don't know if I'm doing right by listening to full albums. Should I just listen to a song by each artist, so I can share my thoughts sooner?
P.S. And if someone has found a full Hendrix album on the internet, please let me know in which website did you find it!

Listening to entire albums is cool, I'm curious to hear what you think about Odessey and Oracle as a whole
I found a link to the first Hendrix album on vimeo: https://vimeo.com/344024764
but I recommend using spotify

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2156414)
You are.

So you’re tackling The Velvet Underground & Nico

Lyrically and musically that’s a lot at 14 but you can do it. Other posters here don’t agree with me entirely but some records are unassailable. That means they’re entirely beyond criticism. I know they teach you the difference between fact and opinion in school and that your take on art is an opinion not a fact. But what they don’t tell you is that there is art that transcends our right to think critically of it. The Velvet Underground & Nico is one of those. It’s perfect. We’re lucky to share the planet with a creation so beautiful. For you, it’s not even a matter of liking it or not liking it. As a person you are a part of a universal bond with a work of art of this magnitude. You already love it. It’s not about what you think about it. It’s about finding the you that’s already in there that already loves it. It’s a journey of self-discovery and not one of a musical discovery. The music has already been discovered and the jury is in.

Just stick with it. Close your eyes and melt into it.

Yeah, I guess it wasn't a very good idea to listen to "The Velvet Undergound And Nico" just after "Please Mr. Postman" by The Beatles.
I've liked it, I didn't understand it very well, but hey, there's still a lot of time, but it's good that I'm already familiar to it.
I know that this doesn't have much to do with the topic but:
I didn't like Stairway To Heaven at first, it sounded really boring to my ears. And I tried many times, but I couldn't really enjoy listening to it although I knew it was a good song, a great composition and there was a great work behind it. So I sort of stopped listening to it, but I came back after. And I loved it, I think I never enjoyed listening to a song so much. It was like listening to it for the very first time. I don't know if you like Stairway or not, maybe you think that it's an overrated piece of garbage like many people do, but what I mean is that there's still a lot of time for me to discover new things and change my opinion 'bout music I didn't get before. I used to think I was never going to like The Wall, but here I am listening to it almost everyday while doing homework!

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 11:35 AM

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I don't know if you like Stairway or not, maybe you think that it's an overrated piece of garbage like many people do
Zeppelin are gods.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2155396)
The Modern Lovers by The Modern Movers
Funhouse by The Stooges
Warrior on the Edge of Time by Hawkwind
Here Are the Sonics by The Sonics
Velvet Underground & Nico - Velvet Underground
Pink Flag - Wire
Suicide - Suicide

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2155397)
Anyone who praises the Kinks' melodies can get a rec from me. Check out the Zombies - Odessey and Oracle
Also, the Velvet Underground are not on your list so in case you're not familiar with them:

edit: Charles stealing my rec like a ninja

Thank you very much, The Batlord and Marie Monday, I've already listened to The Velvet Underground & Nico, and I've written what do I think about it.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2156419)
Listening to entire albums is cool, I'm curious to hear what you think about Odessey and Oracle as a whole
I found a link to the first Hendrix album on vimeo: https://vimeo.com/344024764
but I recommend using spotify

Yes, Odessey and Oracle is exactly what I'm going to listen to next, don't know The Zombies very well, but "She's Not There" is one of the best songs from the 60s imo, it's even on my daily playlist! And thank you very much for sending the "Are You Experienced" link, I can finally listen to a whole Jimi Hendrix album, this is gonna be the happiest day of my life lol

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2156430)
Zeppelin are gods.

I know, but literally 70% of coments on Led Zeppelin songs which are not stairway are: "Can't understand why people like Stairway To Heaven. Led Zeppelin had at least 50 greater songs being Babe I'm Gonna Leave You the best one.

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 11:44 AM

I don’t think you should move on yet.

Or listen to Odessey and Oracle once then make a playlist of that with The Velvet Underground & Nico and just go with that only on shuffle for a week or so.

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156433)
I know, but literally 70% of coments on Led Zeppelin songs which are not stairway are: "Can't understand why people like Stairway To Heaven. Led Zeppelin had at least 50 greater songs being Babe I'm Gonna Leave You the best one.

Those people aren’t fit to clip my toenails.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2156435)
I don’t think you should move on yet.

Or listen to Odessey and Oracle once then make a playlist of that with The Velvet Underground & Nico and just go with that only on shuffle for a week or so.

I'm not gonna listen to it today or soon! I can only listen to up 1 unkown album per day, if it's more than that I get confused and I don't understand anything lol. And both bands were unkown to me, so it's not a very good idea. By the way, is Odesseey and Oracle also experimental?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2156437)
Those people aren’t fit to clip my toenails.

Yeah, I think almost every Zep fan should love Stairway To Heaven. Which album from the suggested ones in this thread do you think is the best one to listen to next?

Marie Monday 01-15-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156428)
Yeah, I guess it wasn't a very good idea to listen to "The Velvet Undergound And Nico" just after "Please Mr. Postman" by The Beatles.
I've liked it, I didn't understand it very well, but hey, there's still a lot of time, but it's good that I'm already familiar to it.
I know that this doesn't have much to do with the topic but:
I didn't like Stairway To Heaven at first, it sounded really boring to my ears. And I tried many times, but I couldn't really enjoy listening to it although I knew it was a good song, a great composition and there was a great work behind it. So I sort of stopped listening to it, but I came back after. And I loved it, I think I never enjoyed listening to a song so much. It was like listening to it for the very first time. I don't know if you like Stairway or not, maybe you think that it's an overrated piece of garbage like many people do, but what I mean is that there's still a lot of time for me to discover new things and change my opinion 'bout music I didn't get before. I used to think I was never going to like The Wall, but here I am listening to it almost everyday while doing homework!

I think Hawk makes some really good points about the Velvet Underground and I also think what you're saying here makes a lot of sense.
Even if you don't really get it yet, it's nice to have heard some of those classics like VU already because it makes you familiar with the bigger picture of music. Don't worry about when you'll get into it (don't try to make homework of it lol) but exactly like you sais, just come back to it when you feel like it after having heard lots of things in the meantime, and odds are you'll love it!
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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156431)
Thank you very much, The Batlord and Marie Monday, I've already listened to The Velvet Underground & Nico, and I've written what do I think about it.


Yes, Odessey and Oracle is exactly what I'm going to listen to next, don't know The Zombies very well, but "She's Not There" is one of the best songs from the 60s imo, it's even on my daily playlist! And thank you very much for sending the "Are You Experienced" link, I can finally listen to a whole Jimi Hendrix album, this is gonna be the happiest day of my life lol

I'm glad the link works! She's Not There is an amazing song. Odessey and Oracle sounds a little bit different: it's more psychedelic. It's not very experimental though, at least not like the Velvet Underground, and it has the most gorgeous melodies.
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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156440)
Yeah, I think almost every Zep fan should love Stairway To Heaven. Which album from the suggested ones in this thread do you think is the best one to listen to next?

If you want something that you're likely to love because it's familiar to what you already like, I'd say the Byrds. But I also think going kind of with the order of recs and doing the Monks next could be nice. It depends on whether you want something familiar or new next, you might want to alternate between those two.

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156438)
I'm not gonna listen to it today or soon! I can only listen to up 1 unkown album per day, if it's more than that I get confused and I don't understand anything lol. And both bands were unkown to me, so it's not a very good idea. By the way, is Odesseey and Oracle also experimental?

I already gave you you’re assignment

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don't try to make homework of it
Yes it is like homework. She’s gotta be fully versed in punk and post-punk and hip hop, art rock and art pop, by the time she’s 16 to be on track.

No offense Ms. Rigby but you’re actually behind schedule. You gotta be full force when you’re still a teen to really feel the lightning in your veins.

Marie Monday 01-15-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2156453)
I already gave you you’re assignment

*your
you need some English assignments young old man

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2156449)
I think Hawk makes some really good points about the Velvet Underground and I also think what you're saying here makes a lot of sense.
Even if you don't really get it yet, it's nice to have heard some of those classics like VU already because it makes you familiar with the bigger picture of music. Don't worry about when you'll get into it (don't try to make homework of it lol) but exactly like you sais, just come back to it when you feel like it after having heard lots of things in the meantime, and odds are you'll love it!

I'm glad the link works! She's Not There is an amazing song. Odessey and Oracle sounds a little bit different: it's more psychedelic. It's not very experimental though, at least not like the Velvet Underground, and it has the most gorgeous melodies.

If you want something that you're likely to love because it's familiar to what you already like, I'd say the Byrds. But I also think going kind of with the order of recs and doing the Monks next could be nice. It depends on whether you want something familiar or new next, you might want to alternate between those two.

Just to know, is Odessey and Oracle's style similar to another album(s) from musicians that have been mentioned in this thread?
The Byrds are cool: Mr Tambourine Man, Turn!, Turn!, Turn!, and...oh wait I don't know anything else from them, so that's a good recommendation.

Marie Monday 01-15-2021 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156459)
Just to know, is Odessey and Oracle's style similar to another album(s) from musicians that have been mentioned in this thread?
The Byrds are cool: Mr Tambourine Man, Turn!, Turn!, Turn!, and...oh wait I don't know anything else from them, so that's a good recommendation.

They're not very similar to any of the bands mentioned here; actually one of the reasons I picked them is that they fit in with the bands you mentioned, but at the same time they're very unique. I guess you could compare them with the Beach Boys and the Kinks because of how melodious they are, but like I said they're a bit more psychedelic and very gentle (although they definitely don't sound as trippy as Jimi Hendrix)

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2156458)
*your
you need some English assignments young old man

Goddamn mother****er

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-15-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2156453)
I already gave you you’re assignment



Yes it is like homework. She’s gotta be fully versed in punk and post-punk and hip hop, art rock and art pop, by the time she’s 16 to be on track.

No offense Ms. Rigby but you’re actually behind schedule. You gotta be full force when you’re still a teen to really feel the lightning in your veins.

Why?
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2156462)
They're not very similar to any of the bands mentioned here; actually one of the reasons I picked them is that they fit in with the bands you mentioned, but at the same time they're very unique. I guess you could compare them with the Beach Boys and the Kinks because of how melodious they are, but like I said they're a bit more psychedelic and very gentle (although they definitely don't sound as trippy as Jimi Hendrix)

Great!

OccultHawk 01-15-2021 12:54 PM

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Why?
Because you have to rage when you’re young before Father Time beats it out of you.


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