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Shampoo 07-20-2010 11:40 PM

Hello, fellow NBA fans. Lifelong Milwaukee Bucks fan here.

nolvorite 07-21-2010 12:09 PM

Can't believe Lebron's moving to Miami Heat. It's ridiculous

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:12 PM

it's within the guidelines.

nolvorite 07-21-2010 12:19 PM

well he betrayed his former Cleveland team

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:26 PM

obviously...

but i wouldn't call it ridiculous.

crash_override 07-21-2010 12:26 PM

I'm just ready for LeBron to finally beat Kobe, in the playoffs I mean.

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:27 PM

lebron should work on his footwork like kobe did. as a pure scorer kobe is still leaps and bounds better.

crash_override 07-21-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 903584)
lebron should work on his footwork like kobe did. as a pure scorer kobe is still leaps and bounds better.

Not even, LeBron's shot selection and power move are much better than Kobe. The only clear cut advantage Kobe has on Lebron is jump shot, which is counter-acted by his inability to know when he should and shouldn't shoot it. But LeBron could always work on footwork, and his whole post game for that matter.

crash_override 07-21-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nolvorite (Post 903586)
yeah but he has Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh with him that's not exactly a fair beat

Kobe has Gasol and Odom. Plus a bench that never ****ing ends.

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:33 PM

of course his fucking power move is better. kobe leads the league in minutes played. sometimes kobe does try to do too much. but can you really blame him? if lebron had kobe's jumper he would be jacking up just as many. and yea, lebron could be a monster in the post. for lebrons sake, hopefully spoelstra can coach offense(unlike mike brown).

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 903589)
Kobe has Gasol and Odom. Plus a bench that never ****ing ends.

the bench is really mediocre save lamar odom. best players on lakers:

kobe, gasol, odom, bynum, artest.

then there is a huge dropoff. the bench is pretty bad. these players carry them.

nolvorite 07-21-2010 12:35 PM

what are the chances of Bobcats going to the playoffs this year?

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:35 PM

probably 75% or something. it is easy as hell to make the playoffs in the east.

crash_override 07-21-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 903590)
of course his fucking power move is better. kobe leads the league in minutes played. sometimes kobe does try to do too much. but can you really blame him? if lebron had kobe's jumper he would be jacking up just as many. and yea, lebron could be a monster in the post. for lebrons sake, hopefully spoelstra can coach offense(unlike mike brown).

Yeah I'm hoping the change in management work in LeBrons favor. He obviously wasn't happy with the way Cleveland was being ran. I don't know about Miami though, they still don't have a very good bench at all. They will need to make some moves and fill the lockers.

crash_override 07-21-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 903591)
the bench is really mediocre save lamar odom. best players on lakers:

kobe, gasol, odom, bynum, artest.

then there is a huge dropoff. the bench is pretty bad. these players carry them.

The Lakers won the championship this year for one reason, they had a bench and Boston didn't. Especially at big man.

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:41 PM

current heat roster:

lebron
d wade
bosh
mike miller
udonis haslem
big z
juwan howard
joel anthony
mario chalmers
da'sean butler
dexter pittman(he isn't gonna play unless he loses a ton of weight. last year at texas his coach had him play in small spurts)
james jones
jamaal magloire
jarvis varnado

seems pretty filled out to me. they are a contender with that roster.

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 903599)
The Lakers won the championship this year for one reason, they had a bench and Boston didn't. Especially at big man.

to be honest both of their benches are pretty mediocre. but one huge advantage the lakers have had the last couple of years is the 3 man rotation they run at the 4-5(gasol, bynum, odom). all of these guys could be starters on a championship team. odom really underachieves, especially this last playoffs with bynum injured.'

but i would argue that the bench is basically a wash and the games were mostly decided by the starters.

crash_override 07-21-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 903601)
current heat roster:

lebron
d wade
bosh
mike miller
udonis haslem
big z
juwan howard
joel anthony
mario chalmers
da'sean butler
dexter pittman(he isn't gonna play unless he loses a ton of weight. last year at texas his coach had him play in small spurts)
james jones
jamaal magloire
jarvis varnado

seems pretty filled out to me. they are a contender with that roster.

At least 3 of those players are rookies. They will be contenders for sure, but I don't know if they have enough to make the long run.

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:47 PM

say this is their 9 man rotation:

lebron
wade
bosh
miller
haslem
big z
juwan howard
joel anthony
mario chalmers

that is really good.

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:50 PM

i wonder what their crunch time squad will be. maybe

lebron (at 3)
wade (at 1)
bosh (at 5)
miller (at 2)
haslem (at 4) or juwan howard or joel anthony or big z at 5 and bosh 4.

debaserr 07-21-2010 12:51 PM

i really want a lakers heat finals.
http://www.dazadi.com/images/p200/book_triple-post.jpg

midnight rain 07-21-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 903587)
Not even, LeBron's shot selection and power move are much better than Kobe. The only clear cut advantage Kobe has on Lebron is jump shot, which is counter-acted by his inability to know when he should and shouldn't shoot it. But LeBron could always work on footwork, and his whole post game for that matter.

Yeah, ok...

Get back to me when Lebron wins a championship. Scratch that, 5 championships.


Ah what the hey, get back to me when he wins 5 championships without having to switch to a better team to do it.

crash_override 07-21-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 903652)
Yeah, ok...

Get back to me when Lebron wins a championship. Scratch that, 5 championships.


Ah what the hey, get back to me when he wins 5 championships without having to switch to a better team to do it.

If you've met one Lakers fan, you've met them all.

debaserr 07-21-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 903668)
If you've met one Lakers fan, you've met them all.

i don't agree with his statements. i like the lakers.
http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress..../natodutch.jpg

midnight rain 07-21-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 903692)
i don't agree with his statements. i like the lakers.
http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress..../natodutch.jpg

whenever you feel ready, you can let me know what you disagree with.

debaserr 07-21-2010 02:41 PM

for one, kobe has had far better teammates throughout his career than lebron. shaq, horry, gasol, fisher, bynum, odom, artest, etc... cleveland has surrounded him with crap his entire career(best players being mo williams, illgauskus, gooden, and washed up ben wallace?). i do prefer watching kobe, he is a master scorer. lebron should try to get into the lane more often than he does. i think in terms of who has the greater impact on his club at this point it is lebron. but kobe fills a harder to come by skill with his scoring ability in addition to being underrated as a passer. it seems like teams in the playoffs have figured out how to shut down lebron fairly well. usually he makes the "right" play by passing out of doubles/triples. but sometimes you have to have the confidence in your own play when your teammates are struggling. lebron either isn't good enough to do this or is too passive.

midnight rain 07-21-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 903716)
for one, kobe has had far better teammates throughout his career than lebron. shaq, horry, gasol, fisher, bynum, odom, artest, etc... cleveland has surrounded him with crap his entire career(best players being mo williams, illgauskus, gooden, and washed up ben wallace?). i do prefer watching kobe, he is a master scorer. lebron should try to get into the lane more often than he does. i think in terms of who has the greater impact on his club at this point it is lebron. but kobe fills a harder to come by skill with his scoring ability in addition to being underrated as a passer. it seems like teams in the playoffs have figured out how to shut down lebron fairly well. usually he makes the "right" play by passing out of doubles/triples. but sometimes you have to have the confidence in your own play when your teammates are struggling. lebron either isn't good enough to do this or is too passive.

you must have completely forgotten 2003-2008 where kobe didn't win a championship, yet remained with the lakers until they became a viable threat once more.

and really, Cleveland didn't have the best record in the NBA for 2 seasons in a row solely because of lebron

crash_override 07-21-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 903730)
you must have completely forgotten 2003-2008 where kobe didn't win a championship, yet remained with the lakers until they became a viable threat once more.

and really, Cleveland didn't have the best record in the NBA for 2 seasons in a row solely because of lebron

He accounted for the majority of those wins.

Also, Kobe wasn't even the best player on the team for 3 out of 5 of those championships. He was a glorified support man for the Shaq-tus.

debaserr 08-07-2010 02:38 PM

interesting article on espn(insider so i am copy/pasting here):

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"Carmelo Anthony is not an elite player"
Tom Haberstroh

Carmelo Anthony has averaged 20 points per game every season since he arrived in the NBA. This past campaign, he became the third-youngest player ever to reach the 10,000-point plateau, behind only Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. And next summer, he could hit the open market as an unrestricted free agent.

But despite all those gaudy point totals, the three-time All-Star may not even be worth the max deal a team would likely give him in 2011.


At first glance, Anthony seems like a member of the NBA's elite, largely due to his scoring prowess. But a deeper look at the points column and elsewhere in his game reveals a player who lives on an undeserved reputation more than his actual impact on wins.

It's tough to argue with his 28.2 points-per-game average in '09-10, but in the game of basketball, how a shooter gets his points is more meaningful than the raw number itself. To see that, we need to peel back the layers.

Let's first talk about Anthony's shot volume. It's not exactly a secret that 'Melo likes to shoot the rock, but his propensity to launch shots may raise some eyebrows. This past season, no player in the NBA took more shots per minute than Anthony -- not Kobe, not LeBron, not even scoring champ Kevin Durant.

It may seem obvious that a player worthy of 20 shots per game would have a healthy conversion rate. But in Anthony's case, that's far from the truth. Anthony, in reality, had a below-average field goal percentage (.458) this past season -- and his career percentage (.459) is no different. (The league average is .463.)

The sharp readers out there will point out that traditional field goal percentage doesn't reflect Anthony's shooting ability, since he launches a healthy dose of 3-pointers, which obviously count more on the scoreboard. That's true. But if you've been paying attention, you know Anthony is not a good shooter from beyond the arc, so that doesn't help his case. As a career .308 percent 3-point shooter, his shot from downtown ranks far below the norm (the average small forward shot .349 last season; Melo shot .316) and any progress he seemingly made in 2008-09, when he shot a career-high .371, disappeared. Even if we incorporate the added point bonus of a 3-pointer, the Syracuse product's shooting percentages are, at best, average.

It seems that, anyway we slice it, Anthony is a gunner at the core. His exceptional skill on offense is his ability to get his shot off, whether it's attacking the rim or through a patented pull-up jumper on the perimeter. But interestingly enough, Anthony got his shot blocked a whopping 109 times last season, which ranks as the second-highest total in the league, according to Hoopdata.com. Evidently, he doesn't lack perseverance.

Anthony's case illustrates a fundamental problem in conventional basketball analysis: scoring averages don't reflect efficiency. It's true that Anthony scored 28.2 points per game last season, but it's also true that no player missed more shots as often as Anthony did. Feel free to credit his skill but also pay attention his lofty shot volume and playing time.

And that's before we consider the disguise of team pace. Since Anthony entered the league, the Denver Nuggets have averaged 95.9 possessions per game, which places them as the third -fastest squad in the NBA over that period of time (and just a fraction behind the high-octane Phoenix Suns). Over that same span, the Nuggets have squeezed out an extra four possessions per game when compared to the average NBA team. Do the math, and the Nuggets have enjoyed nearly 2,000 extra possessions above the norm since Anthony joined the NBA. That's a ton of extra opportunities that can pad the per-game stats used as measuring sticks.

So after stripping out the inflationary effect of fast pace and boiling down Anthony's numbers to a per possession level, his scoring punch looks even more pedestrian. How pedestrian? Anthony's career offensive rating, an efficiency measure that calculates how many points a player produces per 100 possessions he uses, checks out at 107, which sits right at the league average. For reference, 2003 draft-mates James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh have earned 114, 111, and 113 lifetime offensive ratings, respectively.

Before we prematurely call Anthony an average player, there is something to be said for the burden of trust. Not every player can still perform while shouldering the heavy scoring responsibility that Anthony has endured. But the Nuggets have probably allowed Anthony to shoot far too often if efficiency -- and winning -- is their goal. In fact, last season Melo was only sixth on his own team in ORtg (110), trailing far behind other legit weapons like Nene (124), Chauncey Billups (120) and Ty Lawson (118).

Aside from scoring, Anthony doesn't have many other bankable weapons as a player. His rebounding (career 6.2 rpg) is only slightly better than what we'd expect from a small forward, and he doesn't create opportunities for his teammates like Paul Pierce, Wade and James can. Furthermore, he hasn't shown the intensity and dedication on the defensive end that you'd want from a max player.

In the end, Anthony's game demonstrates why it's important to strip away the biases that color our perceptions of elite players. In Anthony's case, the excessive shot volume, his team's stat-padding tempo and the lack of a true 3-point game makes his 28.2 ppg seem far less impressive than his sparkling reputation would suggest.

If anything, it's time we moved on from per-game statistics to evaluate our players. Millions of dollars are wasted every year basing player value on the archaic statistics that teams used half a century ago. And someone will surely overpay Anthony and offer him a max contract -- just look at the deals Joe Johnson and Rudy *** got.

If the New York Knicks, rumored to be the favorites to land Melo if he decides to leave Denver, are expecting salvation from Anthony next summer, they're going to be very disappointed with their investment. It would be a much a wiser move to throw that cash toward the pursuit of Chris Paul, a real max player.

debaserr 08-11-2010 02:04 PM

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Four NBA teams have agreed to to a five-player trade that will send Trevor Ariza to the New Orleans Hornets and Darren Collison to the Indiana Pacers, two league sources said.

In the trade, the Houston Rockets sent Ariza to the Hornets, who in turn will send Collison and James Posey to the Pacers.

The Pacers sent Troy Murphy to the New Jersey Nets. And the Nets sent Courtney Lee to the Rockets.
espn source

this looks like a really good trade for my local team, the pacers. they are getting darren collison and posey for troy murphy(expiring contract after this season). i think collison is going to be a top 10 point guard in the nba at least. and the pacers have been in desperate need of a PG for years. i will be working security for a bunch of pacers games this year too!

debaserr 08-16-2010 10:31 PM

looks like melo is leaving denver. i bet he gets traded prior to the start of this season. is it going to be melo mania right after the decision?

Laces Out Dan! 08-17-2010 10:08 PM

I think it'd be a smart move for Denver to get what they can for him now. Cause hes already got his bags packed, hes ready to be gone when his contract expires.

debaserr 08-18-2010 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Laces Out Dan! (Post 919808)
I think it'd be a smart move for Denver to get what they can for him now. Cause hes already got his bags packed, hes ready to be gone when his contract expires.

they will. i wouldn't be surprised if they wait till the trade deadline for someone desperate though. 100% chance he gets traded and i would say 50/50 odds on before or during the regular season.

debaserr 08-22-2010 11:42 PM

anyone else watching the FIBA championships this summer? so far just exhibitions have been on but i was surprised at the level of enthusiasm shown by the players on both teams. i just watched spain v usa and it went down to the wire. rubio looked great. can he come to the nba already? the tourney starts in a bit over a week. it is exciting to see how team usa grows throughout the whole process. they clearly are individually better players. however, the other teams have a lot of experience playing as a team. team usa is thrown together. can they figure how to play together by the tourney?

Laces Out Dan! 08-23-2010 10:21 PM

Just watched Krstic throw a chair during a brawl...was arrested. Interesting.

crash_override 08-23-2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Laces Out Dan! (Post 922210)
Just watched Krstic throw a chair during a brawl...was arrested. Interesting.

WTF? Offseason play is supposed to be boring... I'm pissed I didn't see this. Youtube, here we comes.

debaserr 08-24-2010 12:07 AM

i posted the vid in the spam thread. whoops. but i like FIBA stuff. see my other post. you should give it a shot.

Dirty 10-19-2010 12:03 AM

Man I can't wait for the NBA to start... No favorite team, just a huge NBA fan. And I love betting on the NBA too :)

I'd be shocked it anyone but the Heat and Lakers meet in the finals... Lakers are easily going to run the west, especially with the Suns losing Amare, the Spurs getting old, and I never take the Nuggets all that seriously. especially when Karl went out with his problems and this year I think 'Melo will be more disinterested with his free agency coming up.

Heat will have to go through Boston and the Magic but i think they can do it. LeBron and Wade on Pierce and Rondo... Bosh to matchup VS KG. I don't think Boston will be as big of a threat as the Magic.... even though I don't think Dwight is as good as people think. He's still so basic offensively, he's NOT a dominant scorer by any means. And I think he gets screwed on a lot of foul calls as well... but the Magic's 3 shooters always keep em dangerous.

debaserr 10-20-2010 01:51 PM

lebron's posse is fucking stupid.

first the decision.

now he is retweeting haters to motivate him or something? i just checked it and saw this retweet: "RyanOutrich @KingJames continuation to my last tweet, u r a big nosed big lipped bug eyed n-word. ur greedy, u try to hide ur ghettoness."

shouldn't there be some kind of filter for that language? how many kids follow his tweets? c'mon man.

Dirty 10-20-2010 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 945735)
lebron's posse is fucking stupid.

first the decision.

now he is retweeting haters to motivate him or something? i just checked it and saw this retweet: "RyanOutrich @KingJames continuation to my last tweet, u r a big nosed big lipped bug eyed n-word. ur greedy, u try to hide ur ghettoness."

shouldn't there be some kind of filter for that language? how many kids follow his tweets? c'mon man.

LeBron caught SOOO much hate for The Decision. I don't really understand all the hate aside from Cavs fans who feel betrayed. He is on top of the pop culture pyramid in society. He is the most recognizable athlete in American sports, so for him to do that wasn't really that absurd to me. It drew in a huge audience and he got to say what he wanted to say to everyone. I think LeBron is incredibly genuine in what he says. He is doing what is best for himself, he doesn't owe Cleveland a damn thing. If Cleveland wold have put a championship team around him, he might have stayed. Instead they went out and got bums like Jamison and Shaq.

It's not like he tweeted that... He is just showing the hate he has been receiving. He never got this hate with the Cavs. LBJ is more motivated than ever, and I can not wait til he goes back to Cleveland because he is going to be on a mission to absolutely dominate that game in every aspect.


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