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debaserr 07-19-2011 07:48 PM

I could do without Kenny but I'm a huge fan of Ernie. He always calls out Barkley's BS.

Magic is terrible and so are most of the ESPN analysts. They have better play by play too but Kerr and Albert are great.

Dirty 07-19-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1086886)
I could do without Kenny but I'm a huge fan of Ernie. He always calls out Barkley's BS.

Magic is terrible and so are most of the ESPN analysts. They have better play by play too but Kerr and Albert are great.

I liked the crew of Breen, Mark jackson, and Van Gundy. Sometimes their unrelated babble though annoyed me. I like how van Gundy calls out flops but sometimes he just won't shut up and starts talking about dumb rules he would have if he was commissioner. Pretty much as long as Hubie Brown isn't announcing the game I am somewhat happy. I hate that old bastard as an announcer

debaserr 07-19-2011 09:06 PM

Speaking of that crew, I'm so amazingly glad that Jackson is gone. He did nothing but spew superlatives and cliches. I wonder who will replace him.

Dirty 07-19-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1086920)
Speaking of that crew, I'm so amazingly glad that Jackson is gone. He did nothing but spew superlatives and cliches. I wonder who will replace him.

"Mama there goes that man again"

"Hand down...MAN DOWN"

"Thats a grown man move"

Classic Mark Jackson quotes. Yeah I was wondering who will replace him. Hopefully someone who actually gives some analyzing.

debaserr 07-19-2011 10:31 PM

Maybe Doris Burke. I like her, she does games now and then.

Dirty 07-21-2011 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1086947)
Maybe Doris Burke. I like her, she does games now and then.

I like Doris but I think she's by far the best sideline reporter. I see her better suited to keep doing that. I'm not sure how she'd be as a commentator but I do think she really knows the game. Probably the most knowledgable female about NBA.

Yao Ming retires

Yao has called it quits. I feel bad for the guy, I think he would have been awesome if he entered the league 10 years earlier. The evolution of the athletic big man kinda doomed him. He wasn't exactly Kevin garnett in the way he defended pick and rolls but was always a good post defender. Considering his size I think he was incredibly skilled with his footwork and shot. Sad his feet gave out on him because of his size. He did put up some good numbers through his career when he was healthy and his biggest contribution was probably his reach into the chinese market. It seems like forever ago since he played last, but I always liked Yao even though I didn't think a team could ever win a ring with him (couldnt defend on perimeter, too big for his own good).

debaserr 07-21-2011 01:17 AM

I contemplated Yao's career after he got injured against the Lakers a few years back. You're right, he was too big and not athletic enough. However, he never had anyone good to play with. When T-Mac is your Robin you got problems. He probably could've been the best player on a championship team if the team was kinda stacked, but he wasn't carrying anyone there.

Speaking of big men, Dwight free agency looms large. The Lakers could probably make a package for him. Here are some fun scenarios to think about:

Dwight goes to:

OKC for Westbrook and misc parts. With Perk / Dwight / Ibaka that's pretty formidable. Dwight entering his prime while Durant continues to blossom.

Lakers for Odom / Bynum / misc. If Kobe can maintain somewhere near he has been(maybe just reduce usage and improve efficiency) while Dwight becomes dominant on the block under Pau's tutelage, wow.

Chicago for Noah / Deng / misc(Taj?). I'm sure people would be lining up to play with Rose / Dwight.

I doubt the Heat or Knicks have the pieces to pull off a trade. As cool as Blake / Dwight could be, big time players never choose to go to the Clips.

Dirty 07-21-2011 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1087348)
I contemplated Yao's career after he got injured against the Lakers a few years back. You're right, he was too big and not athletic enough. However, he never had anyone good to play with. When T-Mac is your Robin you got problems. He probably could've been the best player on a championship team if the team was kinda stacked, but he wasn't carrying anyone there.

Speaking of big men, Dwight free agency looms large. The Lakers could probably make a package for him. Here are some fun scenarios to think about:

Dwight goes to:

OKC for Westbrook and misc parts. With Perk / Dwight / Ibaka that's pretty formidable. Dwight entering his prime while Durant continues to blossom.

Lakers for Odom / Bynum / misc. If Kobe can maintain somewhere near he has been(maybe just reduce usage and improve efficiency) while Dwight becomes dominant on the block under Pau's tutelage, wow.

Chicago for Noah / Deng / misc(Taj?). I'm sure people would be lining up to play with Rose / Dwight.

I doubt the Heat or Knicks have the pieces to pull off a trade. As cool as Blake / Dwight could be, big time players never choose to go to the Clips.

That's a good point about Yao. T-Mac was ALWAYS over rated in my opinion. I thought of him as a poor man's Vince Carter. Guy played no defense either and was nothing but a scorer. He didn't make anyone better.

Oh man the Dwight scenarios are fun to think about. I don't think OKC would ever happen. i think that would give them too much size. You'd have KD at the 2 spot if all 3 of them were in at once, and if they rotated you'd have Perkins as a pretty expensive backup center.

I think LA is probably most likely. They are never really concerned with rebuilding and it's just a matter of if they are willing to sacrifice their romance with Bynum. Dwight is the one stud who might make them pull the trigger. Kobe is still gonna go in the post and shoot his fadeaways, that will never change. But Dwight and gasol in the post would be ungodly lethal.

Bulls would be the most fun fit though. I have visions of Rose to Howard transition alley-oops and a ton of steals/blocks leading to fast breaks. They are already the best defensive team and this would make them easily the best. If they could pull off a trade without giving up Deng, they'd be management gods but I don't know if that could happen. I think Deng is a really under rated guy because he can slash and play versatile defense.

debaserr 07-21-2011 01:42 AM

I meant those 3 as your 4/5 rotation.

As a Lakers fan I pray for a trade to work out.

Slashing is overrated =P

Dirty 07-21-2011 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1087352)
I meant those 3 as your 4/5 rotation.

As a Lakers fan I pray for a trade to work out.

Slashing is overrated =P

Oh well yeah that would be a sick rotation. I don't really think Perkins is that good to be honest. I think they signed him to a hefty extension post-trade. As much as Dwight and Ibaka foul though depth could be a great thing for them.

I still see Lakers getting him, what do you think of Sheldon brown? My brother is a huge Mich St fan so I've been watching him for years and I liked what I saw at times this year. He seemed more confident in taking shots and being aggressive. Freak athlete, I didn't pay attention to his defense much but Lakers could sure use some guys to push the tempo once in awhile. They need to figure out what they are gonna do at point guard though for next year. I think them losing the way they did for the Mavs helps their chances at getting Howard. Even though he wouldn't have solved the problem, I think they want to shake things up and get some new blood in there.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic about slashing, but yeah it is a little over rated just because so many guys cna do it. Seems like everyone has a 6 foot 7 to 6 foot 9 slasher. But I think Deng is one of the better defensive 3-men in the league and the Bulls pride themselves on defense under Thibodeau.

derek 07-24-2011 09:26 PM

OKC and Chicago have the best shot at getting Howard than the Lakers.

Dirty 07-24-2011 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by derek (Post 1088588)
OKC and Chicago have the best shot at getting Howard than the Lakers.

I doubt it. Bynum & Odom is the best package anyone can offer. If the Lakers throw that offer out there, nobody else has a chance in my opinion.

derek 07-24-2011 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1088590)
I doubt it. Bynum & Odom is the best package anyone can offer. If the Lakers throw that offer out there, nobody else has a chance in my opinion.

Nonsense. Odom is 31yrs old and Bynum is injury prone. Also, if Orlando is gonna want to trade with the Lakers, they will want at MINIMUM Bynum(23yrs old but injury prone) and Gasol(31yrs old). To make the salaries work, the Lakers will have to take Arenas in the deal.

Here is why OKC and Chicago have better offers.

OKC: Westbrook(21yrs old), Harden(22yrs old) or Ibaka(22yrs old) but not both, plus Perkins(26yrs old) plus a 1st rounder.

Bulls: Noah(22yrs old), Gibson(21yrs old),Boozer(28yrs old) plus 1st rounder.

Sounds to me like they have better offers than the Lakers and a better future with younger players. Also, Howard said he doesnt want to follow Shaq's path and carve his own. He doesn't want to be labelled a Shaq-lite. Lakers have no real chance of getting him.

debaserr 07-24-2011 10:29 PM

No real chance? You've gotta be joking. One key element you overlooked, Perkins and Boozer are both overpayed, no one would willingly take those contracts to LOSE Dwight.

derek 07-25-2011 06:09 PM

Ok. A slim chance. The fact that the Magic will get Noah and Gibson who are very good young players is something they wouldn't taking on Boozer who isn't that old. Also, getting Westbrook and Harden is great even if they take on Perkins who is only 26yrs old. Plus, the salaries have to work out so that is the realistic chance of getting Howard. Bynum is injury prone and he will be a free agent after this season. Magic will not risk trading for Bynum unless he agrees to an extension that is gonna be less than what he will be making next season(12mil). Yes, the Lakers do have a chance, but slim one. Happy now?

debaserr 07-25-2011 06:17 PM

I still think you are discounting the burden that comes with the Perk/Booz contracts. The reason for trading Dwight is so they can get some nice pieces to rebuild. You don't want to acquire over-payed players to lose your best one. To make it work, the people offering would probably have to get a bit creative: like trading Guards/Forwards.

Boozer has shrunk in every big playoff series he's been in, he's too small and not tough enough. He's also making close to max.

Perk is a vastly overrated player in general. He's doesn't play offense or shoot FTs. His defense is good, but who doesn't benefit from playing alongside Garnett?

Dirty 07-26-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by derek (Post 1088594)
Nonsense. Odom is 31yrs old and Bynum is injury prone. Also, if Orlando is gonna want to trade with the Lakers, they will want at MINIMUM Bynum(23yrs old but injury prone) and Gasol(31yrs old). To make the salaries work, the Lakers will have to take Arenas in the deal.

Here is why OKC and Chicago have better offers.

OKC: Westbrook(21yrs old), Harden(22yrs old) or Ibaka(22yrs old) but not both, plus Perkins(26yrs old) plus a 1st rounder.

Bulls: Noah(22yrs old), Gibson(21yrs old),Boozer(28yrs old) plus 1st rounder.

Sounds to me like they have better offers than the Lakers and a better future with younger players. Also, Howard said he doesnt want to follow Shaq's path and carve his own. He doesn't want to be labelled a Shaq-lite. Lakers have no real chance of getting him.

No chance in my mind the Lakers trade Odom and Gasol...and no chance OKC trades Westy, Harden/Ibaka, Perk, AND a 1st rounder. That would be insanely stupid for OKC to do. I don't even know if they are looking at Dwight, but I think they love what they are building and I highly doubt they are gonna trade half their team for a position they already are solid at. And I don't think the Magic would accept the Bulls offer anyways considering the contracts. Anytihng with Boozer the Magic will reject and the trade would probably have to include Deng.

Lakers definitely have the edge over anyone...because it's LA. And they get to the finals regularly. and they have Black Mamba. and its south cali. I think Dwight ends up a Laker. I know he said blah blah about not wanting to follow Shaq, but talk is cheap. Athletes say stuff all the time, they arent forced to be genuine in the media and hardly ever are. He might not even have a choice if he is traded anyways. If I'm the Lakers, I cut my lovefest with Andrew Bynum and do whatever it takes to get Dwight. If you can keep Dwight, Kobe, and Gasol, you can fill in parts around them and be a championship team without question

derek 07-30-2011 08:50 PM

Deep down i think Howard will go to the Nets because of DWilliams, so from a personal view, i don't see him going to either L.A, OKC, or Bulls I also think Orlando has a better shot of keeping him in Orlando than L.A getting him. I only listed those 3 teams since they had the better assets. Bottom line is that it will come down to where Howard wants to go and he already said he is not gonna play in the shadows of Shaq by going to L.A. He wants to carve his own path. Don't be surprised if the Rockets make a strong push for him with the help of Olajuwon.

p.s: don't ever think that OKC or Bulls wouldn't trade for Howard if given a chance. anytime you have a chance to get the best center assuming Orlando does put him on the market....you have to put an offer and any GM of any team knows that is their job....

Lets do a little wager on this. If Howard goes to L.A, i'll put "Eric and Dirty knows the NBA" in my signature and if he doesn't go to L.A, then the two of you have to put "Derek is the master" in your signature. :D

debaserr 07-30-2011 08:57 PM

No thanks, the odds on that are awful.

I don't trust the word of about 95% of athletes. Let's not forget about the other shadows that loom in LA...

Dirty 08-01-2011 07:59 PM

Not taking the bet Derek haah the odds aren't good for me. Lakers VS the field. I don't see him going to the Nets, but I want to see him leave Orlando to be honest. For some reason I really don't like the Magic.

I really wanted to drop by here because last night I watched "More Than A Game" which is a documentary on LeBron's high school team and childhood. It is a good watch for anyone who is a big basketball fan. Lots of home videos from the middle school and high school years and teh childhood of LeBron and his core of team mates he grew up with. Check it out on Netflix if ya got it.

Bloozcrooz 08-01-2011 10:26 PM

I will end this thread by saying....Dirty is gay

debaserr 08-23-2011 08:51 PM

Really interesting read about franchise owners:

Malcolm Gladwell on the NBA lockout - Grantland

debaserr 09-16-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bill simmons
after wasting nearly the whole summer pointing fingers, leaking stories to reporters and doing everything except getting in a room and negotiating, billy hunter's side finally came down a little … and, of course, instead of just agreeing on a better revenue split (right now it's 57/43 for the players, but both sides know it will land somewhere around 51/49), four-year maxes for guaranteed contracts (easily achievable, and absolutely necessary because teams literally can't stop themselves from overpaying players and being crippled by their deals) and a slightly harder salary cap — three moves that would have gotten us 87 percent of the way there — a few of the newer owners (cleveland's dan gilbert and phoenix's robert sarver are the biggies) are now pushing for even more stuff and that's bogging everything down. This faction believes the players' side is crumbling because a few of the biggest nba agents (jeff schwartz, arn tellem, etc.) lost faith in hunter and are investigating the decertification process (which would be the dumbest thing they could do). These owners don't just want to win this lockout, they want to take a hatchet to 65 years of progress by nba players … who, by the way, did nothing wrong other than continue to cash in on the ridiculous contracts that owners kept giving them.

Let's take a step back and consider the stupidity of this. Sarver and gilbert both overpaid for their teams and hope to blow up the system, then create a more favorable one that would cover up the fact that they overpaid for their teams. In gilbert's case, he coddled lebron for years, overpaid just about every player on his team (did daniel gibson write his deal himself?), showed no roster savvy whatsoever (his front office was really the bizarro sam presti), crippled his own cap season after season, then flipped out when lebron finally said, "i gotta get out of here, i need to play with better players"5 … and now he blames "the system" for what happened because there are apparently no mirrors in his house. Sarver overpaid for the suns, realized it about a year later, then spent the next few years pinching pennies … which would have been fine if he didn't have a legitimate chance to win the title from 2005 to 2008 and also in 2010. He's the kind of guy who watched steve kerr build a team that came within a couple of breaks of making the 2010 finals, then offered kerr a pay cut. His fans hate him; hell, his own players hate him. When i made a few sarver/gilbert tweets yesterday, steve nash retweeted one of the anti-sarver tweets.

Why do two owners with clear agendas like sarver and gilbert have any input here? It's a great question. The nfl had three of its best and most ruthless owners (bob kraft, jerry jones and jerry richardson) handling its lockout; the nba has the likes of sarver, gilbert, new york's james dolan and minnesota's glen taylor involved. Have you watched how they run their teams? For god's sake, taylor just splurged on a coach (rick adelman) who told him in no uncertain terms, "i am not answering to your current gm," so instead of firing that gm (david kahn, the least respected gm in the league by a landslide), taylor decided, "ok, you don't have to answer to him" and kept both guys!!!!!!!! And dolan is dolan — he's basically the train from unstoppable at all times. Why should i expect those four owners to have great insight into solving something as complicated as a labor dispute?

And are we really missing games over this? You should have labor stoppages only because of real issues — like what we had in 1964, when the players nearly sat out the all-star game in boston because they were being treated so badly, or in 1998, when the players were suddenly making so much money that the owners needed a better way to protect themselves. We're not even close to that. I can tell you right now where we're ending up: 51/49 split, four-year max deals, slightly harder cap. So effing get there already. Enough with the posturing. And by the way, both sides could mention the fans once in a while, or show at least a little urgency that they're about to blow all momentum from one of the best seasons in the history of the league. If they think anyone except for die-hard basketball fans will care that there's no nba in october, november and december — when we'll be focused on the baseball playoffs, the nfl and college football — then they're even more delusional than i thought. I hate everybody in this. Seriously. Both sides make me want to throw up. That was your anusol nba lockout watch for this week.

amen

klacc 11-15-2011 03:08 PM

Let us just end the lockout. It is ridiculous. A bunch of rich people trying to become even richer. If anything the fans should boycott games until they lower prices to games.

debaserr 12-08-2011 05:39 PM

CP3 to the Lakers for Odom and Gasol...

As a Lakers fan, this scares me. Goodbye unmatchable front line. If they somehow land Howard, I'd be fine =D

Thom Yorke 12-08-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1129838)
CP3 to the Lakers for Odom and Gasol...

As a Lakers fan, this scares me. Goodbye unmatchable front line. If they somehow land Howard, I'd be fine =D

It hasn't gone through yet has it? I kind of hope they land Howard too. I'd be up for a Heat/Lakers Final every year, no matter how predictable it would be.

debaserr 12-08-2011 09:26 PM

Actually the deal was at least delayed.

I have heard two stories.

The owners had a fit about it and since the league owns NO at the moment they killed it.

The Lakers wanted to get back some more size in the deal, since it makes them awfully small.

YorkeDaddy 12-09-2011 08:47 AM

I honestly don't even think that this would be a good trade for the Lakers. They'd be getting rid of two potent big men for a small, speedy power forward which will take away Kobe's limelight. The Heat have had troubles figuring out a leader, and that Lakers would too. I think Las Angeles should rethink their future. Pau Gasol should not be traded away.

debaserr 12-09-2011 10:55 AM

Small, speedy power forwards don't really exist. Paul is a 1 AKA Point Guard.

The Lakers will never have trouble with leadership while Kobe is around.

derek 12-16-2011 06:53 PM

Looks like the Lakers are done! No CP3 and Howard.

debaserr 12-16-2011 07:02 PM

Howard hasn't been spoken for quite yet.

blastingas10 12-18-2011 03:03 PM

Mavs never should have let Chandler go. HUGE mistake.

debaserr 12-18-2011 03:50 PM

^ Except they replaced him with Odom, I think they'll be just fine, especially since Odom has something to prove.

I'd be more worried about the health of any one of your older guys.

blastingas10 12-18-2011 04:08 PM

Odom was a great pick up. I was extremely disappointed with this off-season until Odom was added. But the only problem with that is, he's not a center. So there's still a huge hole there at the center position. Brendan Haywood is a great back-up, but we need another center. I'm really hoping we can pick up Samuel Dalembert. Haywood and Dalembert would make a good two-headed center.


Dirk will be fine, I'm not worried about him or Terry. Jason Kidd is another story. He is getting very old. But this is a shortened NBA season and that really plays in the Mavs' favor.

I agree, though. I think we'll be ok. But I think if we want a really legit shot at winning it all again, we must get another center. If we can't get Howard, then Dalembert is our next best bet.

debaserr 12-18-2011 04:50 PM

The Mavs personnel sorta seem like a team that wins it once. They just aren't talented enough to repeat. Then you compound that with their collective age and things don't look so rosy.

blastingas10 12-18-2011 05:14 PM

Even most mavs fans didn't expect them to win it all last year. I think they're a long shot to win it all again, but I'm not going to doubt them like I did last year. I think our only chance of repeating lies in picking up a solid center, like dalembert. As long as Haywood is the starter and mihimi is the only back up, were gonna struggle to be as good as last year.

derek 12-19-2011 09:59 PM

Anyone know of good online sites to watch NBA games for free? Thanks.

Bane of your existence 12-20-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1134281)
The Mavs personnel sorta seem like a team that wins it once. They just aren't talented enough to repeat. Then you compound that with their collective age and things don't look so rosy.

Don't worry, we'll get our center next year when Howard becomes a free agent.

debaserr 12-20-2011 05:05 PM

Why would he join a team with such an old core?




EDIT: FANTASY

Bane of your existence 12-20-2011 06:17 PM

Because the Mavs won it all with Tyson, so there's no reason to think they wouldn't repeat with DH playing center. He could theoretically be in a good position to win a title now, and carry on with his career however he wanted.


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