Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1412231)

I don't think you understand how much a once-in-a-generation superstar does for a team. It's very simple: when LeBron had his awful Cavaliers teammates, the best he could do ever do with any team is get to the Finals but get swept. When he moved to Miami, he instantly made the Finals the first year and has WON the Finals every year since after only making the Finals once with his ****ty Cavaliers teammates which is a testament to how great LeBron was that year.

You are literally the only person that has ever tried to argue this, you're being unbelievably immature by trying to pull this bull****. Everyone that knows a god damn thing about basketball knows that LeBron's supporting cast was ****, end of story. Keep going on being a five year old to prove a point just because you hate LeBron and be a ****ing man and admit you're wrong. Jesus christ. Google the **** and read what professionals say for **** sake.

Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1412235)

and that the Cavs won 19 games after Lebron left. How those are actually relevant, I have no idea.

Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1412236)

The fact that you can't see how that's relevant leads me to believe that you are the biggest, most imbecilic hater that has maybe ever existed and I have no desire to ever associate myself with you.

Originally Posted by forward to death (Post 1412237)

oh, that just makes me sad all over.



the bulls also have multiple star players. What, are you saying derrick rose isn't a difference maker, or that he isn't as big a difference maker as lebron? How did derrick rose get into this again? And still with the 19 wins thing, huh?

Man, you're just all over the place to try and win this debate. Fine. I concede. You win, enjoy your moral victory.

Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1412239)

exactly. The cavaliers had no other star players. How are you not understanding this

Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1412230)

But then there are so many things lacking in Lebron that MJ was excelling at even at his age.

The man chokes every time in finals and he doesn't know how to close. Thank goodness for that supporting class because he would just fall apart.

Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1412041)

You're underestimating the significance LeBron James has on a basketball game. He literally does make his team better because of his passing, (7+ assists, and Jordan averaged only 5 per game) defenses are now trained to obviously look for him everywhere (Jordan couldn't shoot a three, James can) leaving his teammates open. These factors are in play every second he's on he court, and James played around 40 minutes when he was in Cleveland, and missed at most only 5 games a season. Also LeBron was playing de facto point guard in Cleveland (as he does now).

Also, Cleveland suffered the worst drop in wins in NBA HISTORY when James left. They didn't drop 1 or 2 spots when he left, they went from LEADING THE EASTERN CONFERENCE in wins, to LAST PLACE. It doesn't get any more clear cut than this: LeBron James. Made his Cleveland team. Good. It was him. And only him. That made them good.

Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1412242)

ll this is some of the most incredible sports ignorance i think anyone could ever see

i almost want to frame this moment so that people will believe me when i tell them someone is arguing LeBron had a good team. He had a team set up nicely for him because they were solid enough shooters when open, but with no mega superstar guiding them they were one of the worst teams to ever step on a basketball court which makes it pretty undeniable that they were not great NBA players.

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1412241)

:bonkhead::laughing::laughing::laughing: