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Forward To Death 03-15-2012 12:35 AM

He doesn't even live up to his one redeeming quality (scoring) anymore. He's decent, but he was never an elite player. Overrated maybe, but it's that Tim Tebow kind of overrated, where you know the media likes to hype him up, but the performance just doesn't match.

In a few years Melo will be a bench player, once he can no longer overpower opponents with his athleticism. He doesn't play defense or shoot very well.

Jordan developed his jump-shot to make up for the loss of his overpowering athleticisn as he got older, and thats why he never averaged under 20 ppg, even when he was like 40 playing for Washington. I don't see Anthony doing that.

blastingas10 03-15-2012 09:26 AM

Melo is definitely overrated. I've always thought so. He have am outburst in scoring every now and then, but that's it. He's very incosistent. Doesn't seem like stoudamire has been doing very good either

Xenith 03-15-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 1165520)
Good on Dantoni getting outta new york before the inevitable pinning on him for the teams mediocrity

Too bad no one in the media will never point to James Dolan as being the main problem with the team.

And before anyone points to the Rangers doing good this year as a defense of his abilities as an owner, consider for a moment that he is much more personally involved with the Knicks than the Rangers.

However having a coach that isn't very good at defense isn't going to win you squat in the NBA.

Forward To Death 03-15-2012 11:29 AM

That's just a cliche, and how do you know how much the owner is involved with either team? The Knicks just can never put together a decent team.

D'Antoni's system works plenty with the right players. He does not have them in NY.

Xenith 03-15-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1165664)
That's just a cliche, and how do you know how much the owner is involved with either team? The Knicks just can never put together a decent team.

D'Antoni's system works plenty with the right players. He does not have them in NY.

You never hear in the news stories about how Dolan is hovering over the Rangers or monitoring them to the extent that it happens with the Knicks. Donnie Walsh constantly had James Dolan domineering over him acting as an obstacle in his path (Carmelo Trade*). Link me to any sort of article mentioning James Dolan actively getting involved with a Ranger's trade... I'll wait.

Now as for your second point about the Knicks not being about to put together a decent team. You don't think that maybe that has to do with the personnel that Dolan has hired. Scott Layden's idiotic self that traded Patrick Ewing unnecessarily for mostly hot garbage and Glenn Rice or Isiah Thomas who after years of embarrassing the franchise with his trades and off the court problems was finally let go only after Stern stepped in.

That's because D'Antoni's system works the best on the Olympic Team. Otherwise a team with no defense usually wins squat, it's a cliche for a reason especially in today's league.

*hxxp://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-02-08/knicks-owner-james-dolan-gets-involved-in-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks

Forward To Death 03-15-2012 03:41 PM

Those are speculative articles AT BEST. Many articles are formulated just to create a story. He may or may not, and you could be right, but I find it hard to believe that an owner is only involved with the unsuccessful team.

The Knicks just make a lot of poor decisions overall. A lot of crappy signings, poor drafting, etc. and thats the front office's responsibility. Unless he's being cheap, there's really nothing to hold him accountable for.

Forward To Death 03-15-2012 03:43 PM

You also just admitted that the owner isn't at fault. Accountable for making poor hiring decisions at best. The Knicks have tried to put decent teams together and fallen short of expectations.

Xenith 03-15-2012 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1165702)
You also just admitted that the owner isn't at fault. Accountable for making poor hiring decisions at best. The Knicks have tried to put decent teams together and fallen short of expectations.

He had a chance to axe Isiah Thomas multiple times as a GM but instead signed him to contract extensions. How is it not Dolan's fault that he rewarded someone with a contract extension when they were performing horribly throughout most of their tenure.

And also please explain to me how my article is just a speculation thread at best. If you going to claim something then at least back it up.

Forward To Death 03-15-2012 04:54 PM

Because the entire nature of journalism in sports is speculation, maybe? I'm not the one who needs proof, you find me an article with any solid evidence that Dolan is more active in Knicks operations than Rangers operations, I'll give you your point. As it stands your argument is based on the fallacy that he gave Thomas more chances than he should have, so therefore he is more involved.

I actually said very clearly that Dolan's hires were poor, but that doesn't illustrate your argument that he's more involved with one team than the other. Please try to pay attention.

Imo, you're cherrypicking the performance of the bad team to try to display how bad of an owner he is. This isn't baseball where the owner gets to choose what impact he has on his team. His accountability stops at hiring and firing, which is admittedly poor.

FRED HALE SR. 03-16-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1165717)
Because the entire nature of journalism in sports is speculation, maybe? I'm not the one who needs proof, you find me an article with any solid evidence that Dolan is more active in Knicks operations than Rangers operations, I'll give you your point. As it stands your argument is based on the fallacy that he gave Thomas more chances than he should have, so therefore he is more involved.

I actually said very clearly that Dolan's hires were poor, but that doesn't illustrate your argument that he's more involved with one team than the other. Please try to pay attention.

Imo, you're cherrypicking the performance of the bad team to try to display how bad of an owner he is. This isn't baseball where the owner gets to choose what impact he has on his team. His accountability stops at hiring and firing, which is admittedly poor.

As bad as NY has been thus far, they're still tied for 8th in the East with Milwaukee. If they happened to make the playoffs, they certainly have some pieces that could win a round. Dantoni does thrive on a run and gun offense, but he had some decent defenses in Phoenix year to year. Surprised to see him resign, I really thought NY could still make the playoffs and at least put up a fight in the first round.

Sparky 03-17-2012 01:40 AM

All this media hype about the trade deadline and jack **** happened except lakers getting rammon simmons.

Why the **** didn't my t-wolves trade beasley? If your not gonna play him, and give minutes to worse players-martell webster, wes johnson-why not trade him for somebody at least better then those 2?

Man i forgot how bad my team was too. It was fun to cheer for luke ridnour when he was a shooting guard but now that he's running the offense it just is uncomfortable to watch again.

debaserr 03-17-2012 02:34 AM

Apparently Beasley was almost traded to the Lakers but it fell through.

Xenith 03-18-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1165717)
Because the entire nature of journalism in sports is speculation, maybe? I'm not the one who needs proof, you find me an article with any solid evidence that Dolan is more active in Knicks operations than Rangers operations, I'll give you your point. As it stands your argument is based on the fallacy that he gave Thomas more chances than he should have, so therefore he is more involved.

I actually said very clearly that Dolan's hires were poor, but that doesn't illustrate your argument that he's more involved with one team than the other. Please try to pay attention.

Imo, you're cherrypicking the performance of the bad team to try to display how bad of an owner he is. This isn't baseball where the owner gets to choose what impact he has on his team. His accountability stops at hiring and firing, which is admittedly poor.

Under your criteria of all sports journalism being speculation then you could say that about any article I bring you about. Nice cover you got there buddy.

Also I never said that because he extended Isiah's contract that he is more involved with the Knicks. That is a separate point, maybe you should try to pay attention. Also that is not a fallacy, it is a fact that James Dolan gave him a contract extension.

Forward To Death 03-18-2012 03:38 PM

I'm not going to argue petty semantics with you. Journalism is speculation unless they present proof to support their claim. This is undeniable truth, and one of the many flaws in your argument.

You used Isiah getting an extension as a contention to your claim, or you just brought it up for no reason, which is it?

Sparky 03-28-2012 07:48 PM

kevin love is getting crazy numbers. 40 points 20 rebounds numbers KG never put up in MN. And the fact he's one of the best 3 point shooters is just weird.

Side note, Kobe and Bynum both getting benched is funny :D

debaserr 03-28-2012 07:50 PM

Brown is just trying to motivate his team, I'm completely fine with it.

Sometimes Bynum fails to assert himself / pulls some stupid stuff. Kobe is usually too much of a ball hog.

Sparky 03-28-2012 07:51 PM

you see kobe is pushing to get lamar and fisher back come offseason?

debaserr 03-28-2012 07:53 PM

I hope Odom comes back :D

Fish had his time, unless he wants to be the 15th man.

blastingas10 03-29-2012 02:28 AM

I hope you get odom back too. As long as he's not with Dallas then I'll be satisfied.

Norg 04-01-2012 02:03 AM

Rockets win agian playoffs baby !!!!! watch out who ever plays us first round

Franco Pepe Kalle 04-05-2012 02:43 PM

Hopefully the Minnesota Timberwolves will be in the playoffs this year.

Sparky 04-06-2012 01:17 PM

yeah with no starting point guard and we are like 5 games behind the lowest seed

Im hoping kahn can make some moves this off season. With the pek love rubio trifecta we should be a great next year

midnight rain 04-06-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1171042)
Brown is just trying to motivate his team, I'm completely fine with it.

Sometimes Bynum fails to assert himself / pulls some stupid stuff. Kobe is usually too much of a ball hog.

As a proud Lakers fan, I strongly dislike Bynum. In the 8 or so years he's been in the NBA, I don't think he's matured on bit. Thank God he's finally starting to come into his own, I was thinking for a while that in edition to being a whiny bitch, he was going to be a major draft bust. At this point, he's only a minor draft bust. Well maybe not a draft bust, but the Lakers have put far more faith in him than I think he deserves.

FRED HALE SR. 04-16-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by beckya (Post 1178616)
Kobe and the Lakers will shock the NBA this year by winning the championship. Either it will be 6 rings for Kobe or 6 rings for derek fisher

Not gonna happen. Coming from a Laker fan.

debaserr 04-16-2012 12:13 PM

I'm not really sure how you can dismiss title hopes completely. I'd say right now the following teams have a chance (in no order):

Grizzlies
Lakers
Spurs (barely)
Thunder

Bulls
Heat
Celtics

FRED HALE SR. 04-16-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1178670)
I'm not really sure how you can dismiss title hopes completely. I'd say right now the following teams have a chance (in no order):

Grizzlies
Lakers
Spurs (barely)
Thunder

Bulls
Heat
Celtics

I'd say your list is definitely the way things look in the big picture. Having watched every Laker game this year i an assure you they are not championship material. Its gonna be a Thunder/ Bulls final. Bulls take it in 6.

debaserr 04-16-2012 01:56 PM

You aren't the only one watching the games... Since you disagree, how about trying to explain your reasoning?

No one can stop that front court. With Kobe out, all of the guys are getting more reps and getting into a groove. And don't forget how big of an impact Sessions has had.

From a pure overall talent perspective, they have to be in the top 5 overall.

anticipation 04-16-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1178680)
I'd say your list is definitely the way things look in the big picture. Having watched every Laker game this year i an assure you they are not championship material. Its gonna be a Thunder/ Bulls final. Bulls take it in 6.

Fact.

Sparky 04-22-2012 06:15 PM

classic artest today :laughing:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2...q0vjo1_500.gif

debaserr 04-22-2012 06:55 PM

I don't find it funny at all. He's done so much for his reputation since he has been in LA but this is a giant step backward.

Also, how the hell did OKC let this one slip away? I thought they were gonna be supremely motivated considering the Artest/Harden deal.

Sparky 04-23-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1181395)
I don't find it funny at all. He's done so much for his reputation since he has been in LA but this is a giant step backward.

Eh, for the most part i guess. He was drinking hennessey during halftime for a few games i believe.

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Also, how the hell did OKC let this one slip away? I thought they were gonna be supremely motivated considering the Artest/Harden deal.
No idea. I'm more confused after having watched the rockets let themselves lose out of playoff contention.

Watching the clippers almost lose to the hornets last night as well, and after thinking "hey my t-wolves beat them 3 times in a row", im convinced the clippers are going to get ran out of the first round of the playoffs. They're too small and lack a 3 guard shooter who can take pressure off paul. The alley oops are great but griffen has no post game and they get beaten on offensive boards a lot it.

debaserr 04-23-2012 02:58 PM

He drank beer during halftime when he was with the Bulls. His only transgression with the Lakers before this was his forearm shiver to Barea last year that netted him a 1 game suspension.

The Clippers are a threat to anyone other than LA / OKC / SA in the west. CP3 has been the best PG in the league for years and he turns his game up a notch in the playoffs.

Sparky 04-23-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1181687)
He drank beer during halftime when he was with the Bulls. His only transgression with the Lakers before this was his forearm shiver to Barea last year that netted him a 1 game suspension.

Nah he really did drink hennessey with the lakers
Ron Artest's Drinking: Laker Admits He Drank Hennessy During Halftime
and apparently cognac with the bulls

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The Clippers are a threat to anyone other than LA / OKC / SA in the west. CP3 has been the best PG in the league for years and he turns his game up a notch in the playoffs.
CP3 is the best point guard in the league no doubt. But i see Memphis, and even Utah having a possible upset over them. I think Paul Milsap/Al Jeffreson would own the paint.

CP3 is great but i dont see him doing it on his own, without a healthy chauncy either.

debaserr 04-23-2012 03:15 PM

You should read your sources.

Sparky 04-23-2012 03:29 PM

I'm not really following you... It's a quote from Artest.

debaserr 04-23-2012 03:53 PM

He gave the interview while a Laker. It's him talking about how he did it in the past. Context is important whilst searching for the truth.

Sparky 04-23-2012 04:31 PM

word
I'm a metaworldpeace fan myself, dude has been balling this year. I just find his antics amusing

blastingas10 04-24-2012 11:49 AM

Artest needs to be kicked out for good. Never should let his cheap shot, thug ass back in.

debaserr 04-24-2012 11:51 AM

I'd say that's an overreaction.

FRED HALE SR. 04-24-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic (Post 1178698)
You aren't the only one watching the games... Since you disagree, how about trying to explain your reasoning?

No one can stop that front court. With Kobe out, all of the guys are getting more reps and getting into a groove. And don't forget how big of an impact Sessions has had.

From a pure overall talent perspective, they have to be in the top 5 overall.

You know i missed this one Eric my bad, I enjoy your insight on the game honestly. I guess we view the Lakers front court differently. I don't see Gasol as unstoppable, he plays really soft at times and takes time off when he gets tired on the defense end. Bynum is the real enigma he doesn;t assert himself enough in the post and he is very lackadaisical on his runouts on fast breaks both ways. He can block shots with the best of them but there is just something missing in his game overall.

Sessions has been a pleasant surprise. I just don't see the Lakers going very far beyond the first round, just a hunch i would call it. I'm like any Laker fan I will wish for the best but i just don't have that feeling this year like when they first picked up Gasol from Memphis. I know the Lakers took one from Oklahoma and i was surprised to see that, but I can't see it happening in a seven game set. Best of luck to my Lakers though, would love to catch Beantown for alltime championships.


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