The American Football Thread

[Dirty]

Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

If the Jets get Asomugha, there would be almost no point in passing against the them. Both him and Revis are capable of taking a whole side of the field themselves. It'll allow the Jets to focus so much more on the run game, and it's not like that was too shabby to begin with. Seriously, just give them the Superbowl if they make this happen.

There are alot of Revis fanboys lately, but I still think Asomugha is in a league of his own. We aren't that far removed from what I think was the best season by any player in NFL history, not just cornerbacks (Asomugha's 2008 season), and he's at the top every other year too. I'll take that over Revis' one amazing season and another couple good ones.

As for the Vikings, wow that sucks to lose Rice. I wasn't getting my hopes up for the playoffs with him, so this really just takes the wind out of the sails. The Seahwaks are getting a great receiver who's among the very best at deep balls and jump balls. Randy Moss without the speed, I've always thought.

Getting McNabb is pretty good (always been a fan), but I kind out just want to see them blow it up. I understand them not wanting to though. AP only has a few more years left as the top RB, and K-Will and Hutchinson are getting up there. Even our other best players like Allen and Greenway are just in their primes now. Tough position when your best players are all in win-now mode, but you don't have the roster to back it up.

Pats of course doing what they do best in picking up troubled players with loads of potential. Haynesworth will obviously line up on the outside as they have Wilfork in the middle already (plus Haynesworth would bitch about it if they moved him to the middle) so it'll be interesting to see how he does there. Not sure how Ochocinco will fare. The Patriots have taken chances on the guys that are known trouble-makers, but have never been very vocal. Well, I guess Moss was, but Ochocinco takes it to a whole new level. I wouldn't really classify him as a trouble-maker though. Still, it'll be interesting to see how Belichick deals with it.

And another couple comments on two other teams. First, WTF was Arizona thinking??? A 2nd (and probably a high one at that) and athletic freak Rodgers-Cromartie for a guy who isn't even a proven capable starter? The Eagles are SUCH an athletic team, on both sides of the ball. And are the Dolphins really planning on using Bush as the full-time back? That's a recipe for disaster. The Saints won't miss a beat with Sproles.

I still think Revis is better but it's hard to compare Nnamdi since he never gets the ball thrown towards him. No reason when you can run and pass all over Oakland whenever you want without dealing with him. Now that he's an Eagle he can really show what he's got. Revis though has completely shut down pretty much everyone he's gone toe to toe with. I never thought he would be this good but I think his hype is real.

Tough spot for the Vikes losing Rice. I like his game, it was a shame he went down last year. They are definitely a win-now team, and I still think they have a pretty decent shot at the playoffs. I don't think the Bears are legit, the cards just fell perfectly all season for them last year and the NFC is nowhere close to the AFC in terms of good teams. I like the McNabb deal. He's still a good QB, last year I'm willing to throw out the window because of all the bullshit going on in Washington. He'll have a great running game and he can still launch the long ball. I can see him and Percy being a nice combo all year. I think the Vikes only go as far as their defense takes them though. And I'd be worried about that. The D-Line got old fast and I don't think Allen is what he was 2 years ago. He was asleep the first half of last season and they lost Edwards at end too who was pretty decent.

Let's all concede the Pats are geniuses. They own everyone in terms of roster management every year. I don't care who other teams go out and get, their offense will still be the best in the league because they don't react to other teams...they make others teams react to them. Two fast, young, good Tight ends just makes it so impossible to stop. They just exploit everyones linebackers every single year. Now they have Ocho who won't have the pressure he did in Cinci. They took no risk for huge rewards with their signings, just like they did with Moss a few years back and I expect them to run the AFC.

You're right about the Saints. Sproles is Reggie-lite but not that much worse. All reggie is is a receiving back and returner, he can't run the ball. Saints will be fine, good move to let him go. I can't see him doing much in Miami. I was shocked at how much Arizona gave up. They were bidding VS nobody lol. all I can figure is they thought maybe Philly would keep Kobb given Vick's likelihood of injury at some point, and then the Cards wouldn't have a QB. And with the lockout and everything happening so fast, I think they panicked and figured they absolutely need Kobb or they are doomed. Great chess match by Philly.

Originally Posted by eric generic

Nnamdi to Eagles 5yr / 60mil. They have a pretty sweet secondary now, with him, Asante and Rodgers-Cromartie.

Sick secondary indeed. I didn't see this coming at all, I was shocked. I know they won't, but I don't think trading Asante would be a bad move at all. Dude gets his picks but doesn't tackle whatsoever. And they could use some help stuffing the run. Eagles are explosive as hell, I love watching their games, but they are one hard hit on Vick away from their season being over. You could say that about a lot of teams QB's, but Vick gets hit hard more than any other QB and Philly can't run the ball, so it'd be a disaster if he went down.

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by Dirty

Tough spot for the Vikes losing Rice. I like his game, it was a shame he went down last year. They are definitely a win-now team, and I still think they have a pretty decent shot at the playoffs. I don't think the Bears are legit, the cards just fell perfectly all season for them last year and the NFC is nowhere close to the AFC in terms of good teams. I like the McNabb deal. He's still a good QB, last year I'm willing to throw out the window because of all the bullshit going on in Washington. He'll have a great running game and he can still launch the long ball. I can see him and Percy being a nice combo all year. I think the Vikes only go as far as their defense takes them though. And I'd be worried about that. The D-Line got old fast and I don't think Allen is what he was 2 years ago. He was asleep the first half of last season and they lost Edwards at end too who was pretty decent.

I think Bill Musgrave will be a solid offensive coordinator.

Berrian has all the makings of a go-to receiver, he's just not clutch. I think even without a legitimate deep threat, Mcnabb has plenty of options now. Considering how far he was able to get the eagles without any all star receivers (minus the time with TO) I think he'll be more then comfy here.

Hell, I don't think our offensive line is bad at all, all we need is qb who can scramble a little bit, and we should be fine. There would be times it looked like the pocket for brett favre was closing in on him in slow motion and he just looked absolutely helpless. I never blamed the O-line for that, their position doesn't require them to ****ing babysit the quarterback.

Our d-line is in trouble for sure. I hope we go for a blitz heavy defense this year because our secondary has always been awful, and if we aren't stopping the run we will get walked on.

With chicago and green bay in our division i only see us getting into the playoffs as a wild card.

[tzero]

The one time McNabb had a star reciever, he had a 107%(?) passing rating i believe and led Philly to the Bowl. That says something, shame Rice got away tho, I wanted to see what those two could have put together. Oh well.

Im still somewhat worried about Phillies LB core. Sure they drafted two LBs and Caseys starting at MLB, but other than that we have no solid guys there. Sims? Maybe, but he isnt really there when he needs to be at that hole. Bradley? He's gone. Shame i liked him. I always thought he was good at recognizing the plays the other side was running. Sorry if im wrong about things here, im no football guru but im trying aha.

[debaserr]

Arizona Cardinals to re-sign Larry Fitzgerald for eight years, $120 million - ESPN

Thats a ****ton for a WR...

[crash_override]

Originally Posted by eric generic

Arizona Cardinals to re-sign Larry Fitzgerald for eight years, $120 million - ESPN

Thats a ****ton for a WR...

Yes, but he's the best receiver in the league, in terms of talent, attitude, and loyalty. A real team player. Anyone that's willing to sign that kind of contract with a team with no quarterback and no sign of an elite future is a real class act. I'd say he deserves it.

[debaserr]

Or maybe winning just doesn't mean that much to him. A deal like that could cause you to re-evaluate your priorities.

[Sparky]

seriously, 120 million dollars would be the only factor in my decision making at that point

[Thom Yorke]

Originally Posted by crash_override

Yes, but he's the best receiver in the league, in terms of talent, attitude, and loyalty. A real team player. Anyone that's willing to sign that kind of contract with a team with no quarterback and no sign of an elite future is a real class act. I'd say he deserves it.

Not the best receiver in the league when you consider everything (I'd say Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson are better), but he's elite for sure.

[YorkeDaddy]

Personally, I wouldn't have offered Fitzgerald nearly that much.

[debaserr]

Romo has such a bad attitude. Whenever he fucks up he is so preoccupied with the negative in the post-game. After this long, I don't think he'll ever get it.

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