Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs (Post 1367040)

Tom Brady Records:
Most touchdown passes (Single season NFL record)
Highest playoff win total
Longest consecutive win streak (NFL record)

Manning and Brady Pass completion is almost identical percentage. (Brady passer rating is higher however)

And Brady in 11 seasons has been in 5 superbowls. Manning...2, in more seasons. Bradys team is completely different now and they still dominate

Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1367043)

This is very misleading, which I'm sure is intentional.

Manning has the edge in virtually every stat. Yards per game, yards per attempt, completion pct, and then you say that Brady has the edge in passer rating? The difference at this very moment is .2, but that isn't "identical"?

Getting the the Super Bowl is a team accomplishment, and Peyton Manning has actually been just as good if not slightly better than Brady in the postseason. (See the edit on my last post)



Never said that he hasn't been the biggest component to NE's success. He has, but he gets a lot of credit for being in their innovative systems that make it easy for him. Ofc, he makes it look easy and I'm not taking that away from him.

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1367042)

i dont understand how you can dismiss stokley as nothin without peyton, but consider welker elite when he was headed for a career of mediocrity before brady made him a star. do hernandez and gronk have the same stats with any other team in the league?? not even close. its part brady and part belichek but drafting a couple rookie tight ends and getting a middlign undersized receiver is nowhere near elite

Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs (Post 1367046)

But all the stats aside from playoff wins/touchdowns/superbowls really dont matter ALL that much. When it comes to setting records in the postseason brady holds nearly every single one. How can you say Manning is better in the offseason when his win/loss record is so much less.

And I think a big reason Brady is a better overall team player is because he has Belichek coaching him, people underestimate how amazing that guy is.

Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1367049)

Good receivers need good quarterbacks, that's just the way it works.

Are you going to compare Brandon Stokley to Welker now? Welker's an elite receiver, Stokley was briefly good with the Colts before fading into obscurity.

Welker is legitimately talented, and that's why NE coveted him so much, when they signed him they knew what they had. Same goes for Danny Amendola, who's probably going to blossom into the next Wes Welker after having spent the last few years being compared to him.

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1367057)

the point is you are willing to consider welker elite and stokley a bum despite neither of them doin anything without peyton or brady

welker is the better player but thats a lofty statement to say the pats knew what they were gettin with him. he caught more balls his first year with the pats then the previous 3 years since he came into the league. do you think welker would have done that in miami? or anywhere else?

amendola could be welker-lite for them but his body is made of glass

Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1367501)