This post is riddled with evidence of how little we agree on about college football.

I'll bet you anything of Harrell, Bradford and McCoy there are less then 4 combined pro bowls. I'd guess only one (McCoy) becomes a starter. The offenses are great, but they defenses suck just as much.

I like the Buckeyes to upset Texas (might regret this one) and like Florida by three touchdowns.

What sucks, is I think you're right but its only because a good QB will go to a terrible team.

And I know on this topic it sounds like I'm huge for the Big 12, when in reality I'm not really. I just think the Big 12 in the last couple of years has been really good. If i had it my way I'd be reppin Miami and Michigan.. but neither have been that great this year so I have no arguement with them.

It doesn't, but you're ragging on USC for previous year's accomplishments. Which is ridiculous since they're 6-1 in BCS bowls, but whatever. USC's beaten two top 20 teams in dominating fashion. Yet again, you ignore most of what I said.

We all saw what happened when Oklahoma had 2 weeks to prepare for tech tx. If Texas had the same amount of time for tech texas it would have been the same result (Texas winning by 30+). As it was Texas had 3 hard weeks in a row and THEN had a short week vs Texas tech and lost on the last play of the game. Also could have won it prior if Gidian would have caught the INT.

How you can argue USC having a good schedule is beyond me. In the Pac 10 there is only 1 team with 10 wins. In the big 12 you have 3, SEC you have 2. Doesn't hurt Pac 10 is the ONLY conference with a winless team. I don't know where your sick bias for the pac 10/USC deleloped but I'd love to know where this blindless faith came from.

Er ok, don't know who this is directed at.

Texas Tech is overrated, if they'd played anyone out of conference they'd be exposed. Harrell is a product of the system and the biggest offensive line in College Football. They shouldn't be in the top 10. But anyways, the Pac-10 isn't as good as either the SEC or Big 12 this year, but USC still has played a decent schedule and beaten several solid teams in conference. Just because the Pac-10 is down doesn't mean USC is, they have the best defense in the country by far and a solid, balanced offense. The Big 12 hasn't done anything to prove themselves out of conference, neither has the SEC (Which has the same amount of good teams as the Pac-10). USC dominated the only 10 win team they played, which you discount because you say they haven't shown up in their two big games this year. Which is bull**** because one of those games was lost on a freshman mistake by 7 points, the other being the game against USC. I'm not going to argue that the Pac-10 is better than the SEC/Big 12, but the gap is closer than you'd like to believe and USC is just as good as any team in the country. Oregon is just as good as Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, Cal is almost as good, Oregon State is about the same.

I think the Mountain West's performance against the Pac 10 this year showed that it is indeed weak Proggy, and the only two teams worth mentioning from it are USC and OSU.

And I forgot to mention on Texas' ONLY lost was to Texas Tech without their #1 WR Cosby AND the defense player of the year Orakpo.

And for texas tech it doesnt matter if the QB is a product of the system. The Team is good reguardless. The only significance would be if we were talking heisman which I don't recall being part of this convo. And if we were It should be either Mccoy or Crabtree.

Oregon and Cal...The SEC has Georgia, Ole Miss, Bama, and UF. Same amount of good teams. I agree the conference is down this year, but not a down as people make it out to be.

No response to 9/10ths of my post?

Last I knew I have responded to every one of your post

You only responded to a my Texas Tech comment, which wasn't even the main focus of my post.

In a nutshell what part do you believe I missed ?

This one:
But anyways, the Pac-10 isn't as good as either the SEC or Big 12 this year, but USC still has played a decent OOC schedule and beaten several solid teams in conference. Just because the Pac-10 is down doesn't mean USC is, they have the best defense in the country by far and a solid, balanced offense. The Big 12 hasn't done anything to prove themselves out of conference, neither has the SEC (Which has the same amount of good teams as the Pac-10). USC dominated the only 10 win team they played, which you discount because you say they haven't shown up in their two big games this year. Which is bull**** because one of those games was lost on a freshman mistake by 7 points, the other being the game against USC. I'm not going to argue that the Pac-10 is better than the SEC/Big 12, but the gap is closer than you'd like to believe and USC is just as good as any team in the country. Oregon is just as good as Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, Cal is almost as good, Oregon State is about the same.

Oregon's OOC
Lost to boise st,

Oregon's St OOC
Lost Penn St
Lost Utah
Won Hawaii (7-6)

Cal's OOC
Lost Maryland

Arizona St' OOC
Lost Georgia

Stanford's OOC
Lost TCU
Lost Notre Dame

UCLA's OOC
Lost BYU
Lost Fresno St.

Washington OOC/Conference
Lost every game

So what you're telling me is the Pac 10 isn't bad ? They're TERRIBLE and their collective OOC proves that. USC plays in a B---- conference and you know it. If they played in the Big 12 they would get rolled by Oklahoma, Texas tech and Texas. I know how you love history, because of this I'll remind you when USC was considered the best team of all times (reggie bush, lienart etc). What happened when they played Texas (big 12)?

Also out of 24 possible people to win an award at the end of the year only 1 Pac 10 player was selected as a possible canidate vs 11 from the Big 12.

They narrowly lost to a BCS team with their what, 4th string passer?

They lost to 2 BCS teams...

Considering who Maryland beat...

Down year for them, but hardly a bad loss.

How horrible...Two bowl teams...

analogous to one of the many poor Big 12 teams you seem to forget about.

Yeh, we ll know they suck. The Pac-10 has played the top OOC schedule in the country, that's a fact.

No, I don't know it. There you go again using examples from previous years. at least use one that makes sense instead of a game with a completely bogus call that cost USC the NC. So far all you've done is make poorly informed statements about how the Pac-10 being weak this year means USC is a fraud. Remember the 2005 NC game? Well, your memory does seem to be selective.


Your point?

Proggy the point is that they all LOST. There is no excuse for getting steamrolled by the mountain west.

To consider OOC they acturally have to win a legit game. I proved Pac-10 plays hard within their weak conference. The second they leave their conference they get owned. The only reason USC is 11-1 is because they play in a fruity conference.

Pac 10 is 1-15 in OOC games outside of USC 3-0 with 2 of those wins vs JUNK teams Viginia 5-7 and ND 6-6. Doesn't hurt Ohio St has been rolled almost every BCS game since they robbed miami on a phantom call.

And somehow you feel you can justify all those loses because they are bcs teams and close games. How many close calls do you want? Missing the interception by 1 inch, or losing on the last play of the game and by a missed tackle. How about the fact Texas didnt have their #1 Defensive player, or their #1 WR on their only lost. If your rationale is the Pac 10 played close hard games then Texas should be #1 in your book.

That was the right call. The only problem with it was that the ref took forever to throw the flag... the defender was all over Gamble and as the ball got close he let go.

Right off the back was illegal hands to the face on Ohio St, you clearly see the hand go to the face mask which is illegal. Then you see a pushoff simuliar to what micheal jordan did vs the jazz. As the ball is thrown you see the guy turn his head and go for the ball. If anything the ohio st guy should have been flagged.

You also see a Miami defender all over Gamble... maybe there was a foul on Gamble's part, but you know as well as I do the Refs side with the offense. My roommate has it on DVD and we watched the game about 3 days ago; I still maintain that the McGahee knee injury is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.

Also you said that they've been blown out of almost every BCS game since then... they're 2-2.

Hes dead to me.. I saw Miami play vs Vtech the game before that NC game. They looked soo good, and then complete **** in the National Championship game.

Ohio State Notre Dame 34-20
Ohio State Oklahoma State 33-7
Ohio State Kansas State 35-28
Ohio State Miami (FL) 31-24 (2OT)

Even though I think they robbed Miami i'll give them props for that win. But ND, OS and KS.. all kind of bad teams. LSU and Florida I considered good teams. And losing Ginn for one of those games def hurt.

Yeh, and Ohio State is a legit game.

Yet again, what they did last season doesn't matter. If you want to bring up ****ty calls, what about Vince Young's pitch back while kneeling down? How is Virginia a junk team? Stop being a bitch about Ohio State, you clearly have no rational argument for them not being a legit game.

Well yeh, The Pac-10 played the toughest OOC in the country, and were competitive in most of the games. I've admitted that they're down this year and I never said USC had been more impressive than Texas...Ultimately they still have 4 very solid teams that could all very well be ranked in the final polls.

@dac: Yes it is, it was essentially an incredibly unlucky weekend with bad matchups and a few magical upsets. Not excusing it, but it's not as bad as you would have it.

I would love to see USC vs Ohio St again this year. Boeckman I never liked and atleast with pryor if the play completely breaks down he can run. Such luxury wasnt there with Boeckman. Also not having their #1 player in Wells really hurt their chances.

All I'm trying to say is, there are 2 Catogories this year, Alabama, Florida, oklahoma and texas and then the rest of the league.

Whats funny about this is I'm not really an SEC or Big 12 guy, they just seem to be the best conference this year. If I had it my way I'd be talking about the ACC. None of the ACC teams want to show up, I went to BC vs Georgia tech and by stats Gtech killed them, but if you acturally watched the game BC dominated except for a few blown plays. My all time favorite team is Miami who I saw play Virgina Tech the game before their national championship with ohio st. Since then I've loved miami, its too bad they are on year 6 of rebuilding. Then you have brandon tate which for some reason has gotten no love this year. Hes as good as Percy Harvin or Tedd Ginn jr from a couple of years ago.

That's because they played the OSU Defense... That D was unbelievable

That was a very good Kansas State team, and that LSU game was a good game. OSU controlled the first half.

I agree with you though. Texas, Oklahoma, Florida and Alabama are in a league of their own. USC is in that second tier with teams like Texas Tech and Penn State. They just haven't shown me anything to make me think they're as good as the top 4.

Did you watch the game? Complete domination in every facet of the game, USC dominated the line of scrimmage, don't tell me one RB would have changed the outcome.

Florida hasn't beaten any more good teams than USC. Neither has the Tide. Hell, neither has Oklahoma/Texas. Ultimately you're just speculating, nobody has anyway of knowing who's better. I don't claim to know either, I'm just pointing out that USC has proved itself again and again this year and in previous years, they're easily one of the 2 most talented teams in the country, they have more wins over good teams than Bama and the same amount as Texas and Florida. Only Oklahoma has more.

I think Miami has more SO/FR starters than anyone else.

and Bama has? By doing what, beating Georgia? :rolleyes:

Good point, good point. I just feel that Alabama went out and took care of business every week and if it weren't for a spectacular second half by Tebow they'd be playing for a national championship.

Yeh, but they've lost the same amount of games and beaten less impressive opponents. I think people just blindly assume the SEC is going to be dominant top to bottom and that's just not true this year.

For me bama went undefeated in the regular season and completely destroyed Georiga. I am not saying Georgia is a great team, but everything around that game said Alabama was going to get crushed. Also Nick Saban is a proven winner in college football so you have to assume a team that goes from sub-par to being one of the best in the SEC is legit.

With this said florida has beaten someone impressive, alabama. Doesn't hurt to have 2 SEC victories over 2x 7-5 teams and an OOC victory over an 8-4 team. Florida has at its helm a heisman winner and experience winning in the national championship game. If nothing else you have to respect his experience and record that reflects it.

On the other hand you has Mark Sanchez's 2800 yards, 30 tds and 10 ints. Purely from a stat standpoint hes really letting down USC. You had lienart his final year throwing for 3800 yards,28 tds with 8 picks. The yards suggest sanchez is a "manager" of the game rather then a QB. His highest yards in a game was 322, followed by a steep drop off of 269 to a bad UCLA team.

The reason why I mention the low yards is because if you can stop the run and gain a 1-2 td lead I dont believe sanchez can bring you back. Its what happened in the Oregon St game. A team like texas and Oklahoma has huge defensive players that I believe would shut down the run and force Sanchez too win, Which I have yet to see any signs hes can.

Bull****, double standards.

USC has more victories over bowl teams, yet again double standards.

Er, why does USC have to be a high octane offensive team. They're extremely balanced, they don't need him to put up huge numbers.

USC has arguably the best line in CFB, I don't see any defense shutting down the run against them.

None that were 11-0, none that had beaten people at the time. I only mention the other victories because you say florida has been a junk schedule. When compared to USC its alot harder.


I started to follow USC when Palmer got there and ever since him its been a high octane offense. USC is falling off hard this year with sanchez

This is gold.. if they had a good line like Oklahoma then they should be putting up 60 per game like oklahoma. Bradford has years to throw the ball and does. If USC's line is so good then how come none of their players stand out, or for that matter any of their total game stats ? and dont you DARE say the PAC 10 has good defense, may I remind you they are 1-15 OOC outside of USC.

Because they have three backs who've rushed for over 600 yards this year. They're extremely balanced offensively, they don't throw deep every other play like Oklahoma and they don't run up the score like said team. I"m not saying their as good an offensive team as the Sooners, but their line is just as good and their defense is on an entirely different level. It's ridiculous and illogical to assume that because they don't have gaudy offensive numbers their line isn't as good as the Sooners.

I never said they had a junk schedule. Florida has the better signature victory, but USC has a stronger schedule overall. I'd say it's even. Instead of bull****ting about how much stronger the SEC is, you know, just because, why don't you look at their actual SOS.

So? Your point? They haven't needed to score in bunches. Yet again with the double standards, what's different for Bama? Oh yeh, they're exempt because they play in the SEC. Never mind USC has a superior running and passing game.

USC Total Yards: Notice all the 300's and low 400's ?

Aug 30 @Virginia -558
Sep 13 Ohio St. - 348
Sep 25 @Oregon St. - 313
Oct 4 Oregon Won - 598
Oct 11 Arizona St. - 387
Oct 18 @Washington St. - 625
Oct 25 @Arizona - 367
Nov 1 Washington - 485
Nov 8 California - 411
Nov 15 @Stanford - 418
Nov 29 Notre Dame - 449
Dec 6 @UCLA - 478

Bradford and Harrell both throw on average 390+ yards per game. Not even taking into account their rushing yards or their team's rushing yards. So almost single handly Both those QBs throw for more yards then USC has TOTAL yards.

So? Didn't I already explain that? and What about the rest of my argument?

Another knock on USC that I just noticed. Most of their bowl wins have been on practically home field. The Rose Bowl is 11 miles from where their home field is.

Won 2003 Orange Bowl
Won 2004 Rose Bowl
Won 2005 Orange Bowl*
Lost 2006 Rose Bowl*
Won 2007 Rose Bowl
Won 2008 Rose Bowl
Won 2009 Rose Bowl

So really how good are they? They play in a weak conference and then get home field advantage to play their bowl game.

Yeh, they beat Oklahoma 55-19 in Miami...The Rose Bowl splits the tickets with both athletic departments, if you'd watched the game you would have known that. I think they answered any concerns about offense in the Rose Bowl, they scored more in the 1st half than Penn State had given up in a game all year. But yeh, they suck, their weakass conference went 4-0 against ranked teams in the bowls...

Just give me a god damn playoff so I don't have to hear about how good USC is at the end of every year. If they're so good and Pete Carrol is such a great coach then don't lose to Oregon State, UCLA, and Stanford.

The biggest advantage to home field advantage is not having to travel, able to sleep in your bed etc. Sure the crowd cheering is nice but the big thing is able to do everything you've been doing without having to get travel lagged. If you played any sports for varsity you'd know this. For me personally I loved to play when the crowd hated my team.

So USC beat an overconfident Oklahoma team that could only run. If i am not mistaken almost every year USC loses one of those games, even worse to teams that are sub-par. And I still havent forgotten the USC vs ND game where they cheated to win.

This is such stupid logic, FSU is the only school even close to being as consistently good as USC has been over a decade.

It's a bowl game, they arrive a month before...

Ignoring the cheap shot that's a good point...But it supports my argument.

55-19...They put up 55 points on one of the top defenses in the country...

Well, if you wanna talk about blown calls the Rose Bowl against Texas was much worse...

Oregon State isn't sub par, they beat a ranked team in their bowl game without their top two players. Besides, who cares if they get upset once a year, they've still won 11 games and 2 NCs in the past 6 seasons.

Edit: What doesn it take to shut you up? a 4-0 record against ranked teams in the bowl season?

This is EVEN WORSE.. spending a month away from your home, USC CAN travel to their home EVERY night. You just made my point!

Like I said an overconfident team that can only run. I acturally called the score on this game 49-14 and everyone said I was crazy. Oklahoma went into wayy to ****y, which USC does every year.. but to ALOT worse teams.. Stanford? are you serious?

Right minus the fact.. if the CORRECT call was made.. USC automatically LOSES.. there was no calls in the texas/usc game that automatically decided the outcome of the game. As I recall USC had the ball last and COULD NOT SCORE.

Completely ignoring all the other **** loses they had. Can you even name a year any other team from the PAC 10 won the NC. I can 1922!