and PSU gets to travel to their fancy hotel every night...That's a pretty stupid point.

Funny, I seem to recall someone named Jason White on that team...I could have sworn he won the Heisman or something, just for throwing the football.

What's your point? They've lost to 2 bad teams since 2003, how horrible.

Leinart would have scored anyway, look it up on youtube. The call did decide the game, that was 4th down, USC got the ball back with time for 3 plays on on the 30 something, if the correct call had been made USC could have kneeled and run the clock out.

Which are? I count two. USC losses since 2003:
To Cal in triple ovetime, Cal went on to win the rest of their games that year.
To Texas, on a blown call in the NC game.
To Oregon State, who finished the season 10-4 and beat Missouri in the Sun Bowl.
To UCLa, one of the bad losses.
To Stanford, second of bad losses.
To Ducks, would have been in the NC if Dennis Dixon hadn't been injured in the Cal game.
To Oregon State, beat a ranked team in the Sun Bowl without their two best players...

You're serious right? Have you ever been to a hotel before? No matter how fancy they are, they begin to suck after 3 days. I know i've been in a $400 per day one, and hated it by day 2.

Winning the heisman is a curse, both in NC games and the NFC. More are bad in both game/league then are good.

Now to the GAME, THE TIME RAN OUT!, thats the first BLOWN call.. then when reggie pushes him. The play ends +15 yard pent and its GG ND win!

So? The players may not enjoy but don't act like they're fatigued from travel or that it actually has any effect on the game.

He still put up huge numbers...Matt Leinart won the Heisman that year and USC still won the NC. You're grasping at straws and you've derailed this argument so far from it's original premise I don't know why I'm still talking to you.

Fair enough. But USC was still the best team in the country.

ND win thats game, USC doesnt get its 2nd NC.. Last I knew Texas has a pretty impressive run of their own. If texas got the breaks USC did, they'd be playing in 3-4 NC games by now. They got shafted this year too.

So how about this Alabama-Utah game...? I love this stuff.

**** it, you ignore half my post every time and have basically conceded my original point. I'm done.
@dac: yeh, Nick Saban must be furious.

I havent even figured out what you're trying to say here. When you spend a month away from your family, friends, your house it begins to wear on you.


I think this decade only 2 heismans have won the NC game. So as mentioned before being the heisman doesnt mean much. Also doesnt help they always get it wrong. Vince Young should have won it the year they beat USC and Mcfadden should have won it in 07. and White was soo overly hyped, dude put up huge numbers on junk teams and did horrible vs half decent teams.

And this part I already answered and said Texas in my mind has done better and would have shown given the AP didnt hate texas so much. They ranked Texas 5th!! at the end of the year.. are you kidding me ?!

So as you can see everything in this post I've said before and just reworded it. The reason I dont reply to half the stuff you say it because its always redundant.

Every dog has their year. Look @ boise st, They looked insanely good vs Oklahoma and a bit lucky and this year looked sub-par. I hate Saban and I give him props for the good season he had so far. They were really bad last year and turned out pretty good this year. I think within 2 years he'll win a NC with alabama, so long as he stays there for 2 years haha.

Lol, yeh, I bet the Penn State guys were really bummed out at being away from their frat house for so long. I hope you're joking about their families, because they're in college.

Jason White still put up huge numbers and Oklahoma was a far cry from a pure running team.

Oklahoma beat more and more highly ranked opponents, end of story.

I repeat myself because you ignore what I say.

You mean Oklahoma played basically the same schedule as texas did? Minus the fact Texas played the toughest 4 teams in a row, whereas oklahoma had 2, bye and then 1 of the games. Also the fact Oklahoma lost to Texas by 10 shows me texas is the better team and given you dispute this logic I'll use it against you everytime you say USC beats a team and then loses to a junk team. The only lost Texas had was last second on an amazing play by crabtree.

You know most athletes go to the college within their state? There are always going to be exceptions but for the most part they like to stay home due to family and friends. Because of this traveling 2k+ miles to go to a game for a month would suck.

Jason white was the most overhyped POS, which i've said in 3 post before So i dont feel I should have to repeat myself. And you say they didnt rely on the running game? LMFAO tooo Funny.. you ever watch them play without AD. It was like watching the 08 lions.

Well duh they aren't as good this year. They had a loaded lineup of senior players that season and a stud in Ian Johnson. Also why does everyone hate Saban? I don't blame him for leaving LSU for the pros, he wanted to see what the next level was like. He coached his year, and realized where his heart really was... college football. He didn't quit midseason on the dolphins or anything, he coached them to the best of his ability. Then he decided to return to college, and went back to the SEC, a place where he was comfortable and at home. Where's the fault in that?

Er, no.

This has no effect on the outcome of games.

So Oregon State is better than USC? Ok, good luck with that.

So? Oklahoma beat more and better good teams.

They spend more than a month away from their families in college, and it has no effect on their play.

They still didn't rely on the run, why don't you provide some evidence for once. Prove to me that they relied on the run.

See above.

Lets break this down.

Aug 30 Fla. Atlantic Won 52-10
Sep 6 @UTEP Won 42-13
Sep 13 Arkansas
Sep 20 Rice Won 52-10
Sep 27 Arkansas Won 52-10
Oct 4 @Colorado Won 38-14
Oct 11 @Oklahoma Won 45-35
Oct 18 Missouri Won 56-31
Oct 25 Oklahoma St. Won 28-24
Nov 1 @Texas Tech Lost 33-39
Nov 8 Baylor Won 45-21
Nov 15 @Kansas Won 35-7
Nov 27 Texas A&M Won 49-9

Aug 30 Chattanooga Won 57-2
Sep 6 Cincinnati Won 52-26
Sep 13 @Washington Won 55-14
Sep 27 TCU Won 35-10
Oct 4 @Baylor Won 49-17
Oct 11 Texas Lost 35-45
Oct 18 Kansas Won 45-31
Oct 25 @Kansas St. Won 58-35
Nov 1 Nebraska Won 62-28
Nov 8 @Texas A&M Won 66-28
Nov 22 Texas Tech Won 65-21
Nov 29 @Oklahoma St. Won 61-41
Dec 6 Missouri Won 62-21

So which game did Oklahoma play that was soo much better? And don't use the Trite.. Well they scored more points so they gotta be better then texas. Because when they played Texas they didn't score all those points and LOST.

If Oregon St ended the season as a 1 lost team as USC did then you would say Oregon St is the better team. They lost 4 games so this is why you'd say USC is better. Both oklahoma and texas lost 1 so it comes down to HEAD to HEAD as it does in the NFL.

And no playing 4 insanely hard games in a row has no effect. Try playing any varsity sports and you'll know this isnt true. Its extremely hard to bring the same intensity needed to beat some of the best teams every week. And even if you dont believe my personal experience its been said time and time again by players and announcers in both college and pros.

Jason White doesnt flop in big games ?? hahahhaha

Vs. Texas 14/26 113 yard 0tds 2 ints
Vs. USC 24/36 244 yards 2tds 3 ints

The only 2 big games he played and did terrible in both

Adrian Peterson
Vs. Texas 32 carries 225 yards
Vs. USC 25 carries 82 yards 1 Td

Ad Averaged rougly 170 yards per game, whereas jason white averaged a little over 200 yards that year. I don't know what school you went too but for it to be a "Qb team" wouldn't you expect the QB to avg close to 300-400 yards like OK/Texas did this year? And have the RB avg not as high?

And i reply to everything you say, I just don't use the quotes because it is just alot of wasted space.

And the being away from a month I've made a valid point that you just cant seem to fathom. I said family and FRIENDS not just family. And when you go to college you'll see all the time people heading back home during mid-semester to grab stuff and see their friends back at their home. And if nothing else when they are gone for a month they can't see their friends which during college they get to see every day.

Most all of them; They won by larger margins against against five of six like opponents including a 44 point drubbing against the team that beat Texas. The only exception is the A&M match-up in which Texas won by a margin two points greater then Oklahoma.

Also Oklahoma's non-conference schedule is considerably better including TCU and Cincinnati; both have been ranked in the top 10 this season.


Actually in the NFL system the Sooners would get in also. Texas Tech has one loss as well so head to head is thrown out and it goes to division record (same), conference record (same) and finally scoring margin where Oklahoma has the edge over the Longhorns and the Red Raiders.

The BCS will never be fair but there are just as many if not more arguments for Oklahoma then Texas.

To me this Bowl season has proven a few things.

1. The bowls (to goddamn many) are now all meaningless and thus mostly terrible. Still I can live with half the bowls being meaningless, but when the Orange Bowl sucked as hard as it did this year...geez.

2. Need a playoff or plus one system now; Utah, USC and Texas, if they win vs. OSU all will have just as good if not better claims to the National Championship at the end of the season as will the winner of the Oklahoma\Florida game.

You hear almost no one saying Texas Tech should be ranked above Okla or Texas. Sure the logic is there but Tech's win vs Texas needed alot of skilled plays and luck. Dude dropping an int that went right into his hand? Then Crabtree not stepping out of bounce or being tackled. Texas systematically beat Oklahoma, even with the best proformance from the Heisman they still lost by 10.

Also when Tech played Texas, Texas was missing their #1 WR in Cosby and in my mind the best Defensive player Brian Orakpo. Also the game was PLAYED @ tech. Texas Vs Oklahoma was on a neutral field.

And once again people using the.. Well they scored all those points. Do you ever watch Texas' games, if so then you'd know when they feel they have the game won they sit their starters, its called class.

Lets take a look into NFL for a second since the best offensive teams in NCAA arent legit due to SOS.

NFL
1. New Orleans Saints 410.7
2. Denver Broncos 395.8
3. Houston Texans 382.1
4. Arizona Cardinals 365.8
5. New England Patriots 365.4

those are the top scoring offensive. Here is a question how many are still in the playoffs?

Now lets look @ the defense

1. Pittsburgh Steelers 237.2
2. Baltimore Ravens 261.1
3. Philadelphia Eagles 274.3
4. Washington Redskins 288.8
5. New York Giants 292.0

How many of those teams are still in the playoffs?

DEFENSE wins Championships NOT offense.

I didn't say anything about offense or defense. I said scoring margin which is a combination of offense and defense.

Also ridiculous to compare stats from NFL and NCAA football. Talent is obviously much closer in the NFL from team to team.

All of your other points are just homer excuses and have no validity in any unbiased discussion.

I'm not saying Oklahoma should be there, I am just saying Texas has no more right then they do.

As mentioned before, okalahoma runs up the score and this is why the win margin is in okalahoma's favor. Texas sits their starters when the game is won. So win margin isnt a factor when you have coachs like stoop with no class.

And in college when you get to the elite teams, the talent is very close, much like what you'd expect in NFL. So it is not absurd to compare the elite teams vs elite teams in college to those in the NFL.

Hrm.. i gave stats to backup almost everything I said and still no validty.. interesting.. I still havent heard any stats to backup otherwise.

And Texas has no right to complain that they arent in the NC game? They lost on the road on the last play with 2 of their best players out? Oklahoma lost to texas with all their players playing their absolute best.


And you want a playoff? Honestly if there was a playoff you know who i'd expect to win it all? Mississippi, they are a USC 2.0, win the few big games they have and lose to junk teams.

Edit. Sorry they arent USC 2.0, Mississippi acturally plays good teams during the regular season, and wins more then just 1 of them.

I see two OOC wins against ranked opponents that Texas lacks.

Oklahoma plvyed a tougher schedule, it's ridiculous to compare CFB to the NFL, don't bull****.

Stop making excuses for Texas, Oklahoma played more good teams end of story.

I never said he didn't flop in big games, and it's not relevant to my point.

I never said they were a run and gun offense, just that they had the ability to throw the ball, they were not reliant on the run.

You've ignored everything I've said about how you hold USC to standards you ignore for teams from conferences you consider 'better'.

This is such bull****, you're actually saying that players being homesick is an unfair advantage for USC?

See above.

Lol, maybe Oklahoma's offense wouldn't look so dynamic in comparison to USC if they didn't run up the score.

Yes it is, There are 119 D-1 colleges and 32 NFL teams, and the NFL teams have fewer players. Do the math.

Injuries happen, you never weigh them in when comparing teams.

USC has 1 loss to a very good team, Ole Miss has 4 and to actual bad teams.

Stfu, here you go again ignoring the proof I've given.

So what? at the end of the day both teams lost.

Yet again, injuries, happen, you can't factor them into the rankings.

agreed, Stoops is classless. In fact I doubt Oklahoma's offense would look as good in comparison to USC...

You mean defense's like USC's? Your contradictions are getting kind of funny now.

Here's one of my arguments you've ignored, just so you can catch up:
USC has beaten 3 ranked teams, out of the top 5 only Oklahoma has beaten more, why are the other 3 better?

The is the first thing USC has done that I can't argue the greatness of it.

The video doesn't work.


Thought this was great,

My counting could be bad.. I don't know.. but Texas has beaten Oklahoma #2, Ok st #13 and Missoui #25.. Texas is the only team in the top 5 to have a win Vs a #1 team at the time, and is still in the top 5.

Edit: yeah i Know i hit delete and it didnt

Yeh, that's 3...Same as USC...

Oklahoma Lost to texas.. that easy

And I mentioned that because by not mentioning Texas you are insinuating that only OK and USC have those amounts of wins.

If USC had beat either Florida or OK then you'd have an arguement, but has done neither

I said only Oklahoma has beaten more, is that really so hard to understand?

With a USC bias in there, there was no need to mention them, a simple " out of the top 5 teams Oklahoma has the most wins vs ranked teams "

But I was making a case for USC, not Oklahoma.

So both USC and Texas has 3 wins vs Ranked teams, Texas has the best ranked win? Not a very valid point then, considering the focal point of this whole BCS thing has been Texas Vs USC.

But USC has better second and third best wins over ranked teams. Missouri really shouldn't be ranked anyway.

You were the one who brought up the ranked idea, so to have any validity you have to stick to the definition of "ranked". Do i think Missoui is a legit team? Hell no.. but do I think any of the wins USC has are legit beyond a terrible ohio st that got owned by Penn? No

How is ORegon not a legit win? They beat OSU, a team that beat OSU in their bowl game by 11, 44-10. If Oregon beat OSU how is OSU a legit win for Texas and Oregon not a legit win for USC? How is that not legit? Ohio State lost 13-6 on a freshmen mistake to Penn State and got blown away by USC. How is that not legit?

I didnt know 44-10 was 11 points.. but i'll go with it.

I have no ****ing idea what you are saying. Are you talking about 3-4 different OSU teams ? because your post makes absolutely no sense as is. Ohio St has only lose to USC and Big 10 So i dont know any reference to what OSU is. Ok St has been the test dummy for all of Big 12 to beat on. Maybe you mean Oregon St who got SMOKED by Penn St and then beat USC. I have no idea what you're trying to say

This was the video for some reason my copy and paste wasnt working right and i just figured it out now.

Did you skip grammar school and go right varsity sports? Oregon beat OSU by 11 and USC beat ORegon 44-10..

Only two. :usehead:
Ohio State...

No, I mean Ohio State (OSU) got killed by USC and lost narrowly to USC.

You're in so over your head on this. I don't like liars, especially dumb ones, you have some explaining to do.

The fact that you would make things up that can be fact checked so easy is just sad. You're a Texas fan i get it. Oklahoma does not run up the score, no rational thinking human being would even suggest that.

Oklahoma Fourth quarter scoring this year:

Aug 30 Chattanooga Won 57-2 0-0
Sep 6 Cincinnati Won 52-26 10-6 OU
Sep 13 @Washington Won 55-14 7-7
Sep 27 TCU Won 35-10 7-0 TCU
Oct 4 @Baylor Won 49-17 7-0 OU
Oct 11 Texas Lost 35-45
Oct 18 Kansas Won 45-31 7-7
Oct 25 @Kansas St. Won 58-35 3-0 OU 3 points whole second half
Nov 1 Nebraska Won 62-28 7-0 NEB
Nov 8 @Texas A&M Won 66-28 7-0 A&M
Nov 22 Texas Tech Won 65-21 7-7
Nov 29 @Oklahoma St. Won 61-41 24-15 OU (3 point game with 10 minutes to play)
Dec 6 Missouri Won 62-21 21-7 OU


Now as this shows, you have no idea what you're ralking about or you are a lair.

You probably watched the Big12 title and decided that OU must have done that in every game. They did in in the big12 title as Stoops explained, because they had to. Voters take into account margin of victory and they wanted to make the BCS title game so they did not leave it to chance. Plus Bradford was on the big stage with a chance to lock up the Heisman and he did.

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In most of the games the game was locked up before the 4th. Chattanooga Won 57-2 .. at which point did you feel the game wasnt locked up? 28-2, 35-2.. I mean c'mon don't give me.. well they didnt score in the 4th quarter BS. The game was wrapped up in the 1st quarter. Tech, AnM and Missouri.. there is no need for that. No class

You don't get to invent definitions. Ypu've been proven wrong, a lair or both.

Oklahmoma called off the dogs at halftime in every game in was appropriate. What are they supposed to do, punt on 1st down? Not try to score? It makes no sense.

Texas has not once this season taken out starters for the remainder of the game before the fourth quarter due to anything but injury.

Either you admit you lied and made that info up or you will be banned by me for a week at minimum.

You are a Texas fan that's fine, decent team, the might even beat the Buckeyes tonight (I doubt it) but USC, Alabama, Utah, Florida and probably 3-4 other teams are as good or better then them this season.

I hate liars.

No ether explain yourself or i am done with you.

Proof of this ? Wild Alligations.. With the exception of 1 game the OK back-up has 4 throws per game or less.

Did i ever said they did or didnt ?

hey if you have a naploean complex then stroke it.

I appriciate you not reading over this topic and just jumping in. I've said numerous times I'm NOT a texas fan, I'm a BC and Miami fan.

I hate people who rant incoherantly

He already provided proof, look at the scores in the 4th.

You implied it.

Way to completely misuse the term.

How ironic of you.