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Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 01:30 AM

The Official Workout Thread
 
For all people who are regulars with any kind of training.



Right now I just go to the gym about 5 days a week. The only suppliments Im taking right now are Creatine and Protein. Im getting a few new things just to keep my kidneys and liver in good condition. Because the wear that taking a lot of Protein and Creatine can do to your Kidneys and Liver is pretty serious if you dont focus on making sure you keep your body healthy as well. Milk Thistle, Cranberry Juice, Tons of water, Peppermint Tea are all things Ive read about to keep your kidneys and liver in strong condition while under more stress than normal in dealing with the suppliments.

adidasss 12-01-2008 02:36 AM

How much protein total are you taking? I'm assuming you know just taking supplements won't do much. Oh and I think 5 days a week is a bit too much man...:\

I'm going all natural...http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...power/smug.gif

jackhammer 12-01-2008 07:07 AM

I have just had a workout for the first time in ages. Need to get back in shape a little. I'm terribly unfit. I am even thinking about re-joining my old 5 -a- side football team. I did'nt do any supplements when I took it a little more seriously a few years ago, just drank raw eggs in the morning.

adidasss 12-01-2008 07:22 AM

Eww.

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 10:29 AM

Not a fan of creatine or taking protein outside of its natural forms. But I do like that you realize they hinder the body and taking measures to prevent it. You know you can get both in their natural form just by eating beef or fish?

From my personal experience its more important when you consume food/supplyments rather then the food/supply you consume.

Personally I like 4 pieces of wheat toast with jelly and a bottle of gatorade before I go to the gym. This gives me simple and complex carbs along with electrolyte. I find ample energy in the lifts I do. As soon as my workout is done I like to consume any food, doesn't even matter what it is so long as it can be consumed as energy. When I get home I'll consume a form of protein and some complex carbohydrates. If you have the luxary to sleep right after you lift then do so. This gives your body a chance to recuperate without constantly being torn up from constant movement the rest of the day.

Also what are you trying to accomplish while lifting? Gaining functional strength, gaining size or trying to lose weight ?

Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 555640)
How much protein total are you taking? I'm assuming you know just taking supplements won't do much. Oh and I think 5 days a week is a bit too much man...:\

I'm going all natural...http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...power/smug.gif

5 Days is about as much as you should do. And Im only taking about 60 grams a day of protein. On days I work out I drink some in the morning with breakfast, and then a shake with the creatine in it as well immediatly after my workout.

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Originally Posted by thegoldlaw (Post 555739)
Not a fan of creatine or taking protein outside of its natural forms. But I do like that you realize they hinder the body and taking measures to prevent it. You know you can get both in their natural form just by eating beef or fish?

From my personal experience its more important when you consume food/supplyments rather then the food/supply you consume.

Personally I like 4 pieces of wheat toast with jelly and a bottle of gatorade before I go to the gym. This gives me simple and complex carbs along with electrolyte. I find ample energy in the lifts I do. As soon as my workout is done I like to consume any food, doesn't even matter what it is so long as it can be consumed as energy. When I get home I'll consume a form of protein and some complex carbohydrates. If you have the luxary to sleep right after you lift then do so. This gives your body a chance to recuperate without constantly being torn up from constant movement the rest of the day.

Also what are you trying to accomplish while lifting? Gaining functional strength, gaining size or trying to lose weight ?

Both size and strength. When I was working out in highschool I started at about 160 and by the end of the semester was up to 170 which is huge for me because I have such a fast metabolism and was so active as well with running 3-4 times a week and having basketball basically 4-5 days a week for the first bit. I was even on Carb Loaders which gave me about 800-850 calories a shake. But now Im not taking those just because Im not as active as I am in highschool and even though I still really struggle to put weight on, it is easier now than it was.

adidasss 12-01-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LesPaul43 (Post 555802)
5 Days is about as much as you should do. And Im only taking about 60 grams a day of protein. On days I work out I drink some in the morning with breakfast, and then a shake with the creatine in it as well immediatly after my workout.

Well everything I've read so far says it's best to have at least 24-48 hours rest between workouts to give the muscles time to regenerate.

I was asking how much protein you take in daily, that includes protein from natural sources (meat, fish etc.). It's generally recommended to intake 1.5 - 2 grams per kilo of body weight (which is I guess 1 per pound).

right-track 12-01-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 555847)
Well everything I've read so far says it's best to have at least 24-48 hours rest between workouts to give the muscles time to regenerate.

You're right.
Rest is as important as the training.
The whole idea is to push your body further than it's used to, then rest, then push it further again etc.

Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 555847)
Well everything I've read so far says it's best to have at least 24-48 hours rest between workouts to give the muscles time to regenerate.

I was asking how much protein you take in daily, that includes protein from natural sources (meat, fish etc.). It's generally recommended to intake 1.5 - 2 grams per kilo of body weight (which is I guess 1 per pound).

I get basically 24 hours between each workout as I go roughly the same times every day. And as for my complete protein intake per day I dont have a clue. But yes, Ive also read about taking roughly 1g or protein for each lb of your body mass. Since I dont cook my own meals, I cant really do that without spending tons of money to keep my whey protein stocked. I just add the protein powder to my diet to give me that extra protein my muscles feed off after a workout.

jackhammer 12-01-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 555855)
You're right.
Rest is as important as the training.
The whole idea is to push your body further than it's used to, then rest, then push it further again etc.

Definitely. You are actually tearing muscle fibres if you push yourself hard enough so then your body replaces them with stronger, thicker fibres. So you do need rest. I used to work out 3 times a week, targeting specific muscle groups.

anticipation 12-01-2008 02:13 PM

creatine is really bad for you dude.

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 02:53 PM

I am sure you all know, but just making sure when you say 24-48 you are in reference to muscles and not working out in general. For me I love working out 4 days a week, Monday-upper body, Tuesday legs, Thursdays - upper body and friday - legs.

Reasoning behind this: Muscles come in pairs for the most part. When one muscle is flexing the other muscle is stretching. There are muscles that dont really follow this; obliques being one of them. But the major muscles follow this, Back/chest, tricep/bicep, lower back/abs and Quads. I don't seperate quads because when I lift every muscle is being used in both flexing and stretching.

So by doing upper body in 1 day you are working all the major muscle groups along with giving them a good stretch which promotes better muscle growth. Legs in general to the intensity I do them make me more tired and worn out mentally then any upper body routine could. Because of this I like to give them their own day

Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 555887)
creatine is really bad for you dude.

Dont worry, Ive done more than enough research on it man. I know they havent been able to take tests on long term results on the body (15 years +) But up to that point they havent found anything bad on your body except to your liver and kidneys if you dont do whats necessary to keep them healthy. I went to my health store today and bought a jar of Milk Thistle pills. And as for working out in body parts..I dont do nearly as much legs as I used to when I was playing basketball in highschool, but I mostly do back and biceps one day, and chest and triceps another day. I'll try and get a couple sets of shoulders in after my main workout at least 2-3 times a week and those are the muscles Ive noticed the most change in within the last 2 months, my delts especially.

anticipation 12-01-2008 03:18 PM

when i used to hit the weights for off-ice in the summer, i would leg press 400lbs with like 3 sets of 30 reps without breaking a sweat. now my knees are fucked to shit, and i can only get up to like 370. i've never liked doing arms so i never would, nor would i do my chest. i usually did lots of back and hamstring workouts, but having big pecs or biceps are worthless if you don't have a solid core.

Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 555910)
when i used to hit the weights for off-ice in the summer, i would leg press 400lbs with like 3 sets of 30 reps without breaking a sweat. now my knees are fucked to shit, and i can only get up to like 370. i've never liked doing arms so i never would, nor would i do my chest. i usually did lots of back and hamstring workouts, but having big pecs or biceps are worthless if you don't have a solid core.

Well its not worthless...but working out most parts of your body is pretty useless if its for anything other than just looking big. And even with that a strong core along with flexibility is one way to get aound injuries.

anticipation 12-01-2008 03:27 PM

definately, i'm saying that building off a strong core is what most successful athletes do.

luckily, i was born naturally flexible.

Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 555925)
definately, i'm saying that building off a strong core is what most successful athletes do.

luckily, i was born naturally flexible.

I wish I could say the same about the flexibilty. Ive had to work hard to get my body more flexible. And as for the core, when I was playing basketball I had an insanely strong core. Think of all the greatest players in their specific sports.Dwyane Wade and Lebron James both soar through the air, absorb contact and are still able to finish. Players who are so strong on their skates they can't be bodied around. My buddy's old coach played in some game with Crosby at some point and said he had never played someone who was so hard to muscle off the puck. That comes from a good base and a strong ass core.

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LesPaul43 (Post 555913)
Well its not worthless...but working out most parts of your body is pretty useless if its for anything other than just looking big. And even with that a strong core along with flexibility is one way to get aound injuries.


I really do hope that comment above was for dramatic effect. There is absolutely NO way that working your whole body is useless.

anticipation 12-01-2008 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LesPaul43 (Post 555935)
I wish I could say the same about the flexibilty. Ive had to work hard to get my body more flexible. And as for the core, when I was playing basketball I had an insanely strong core. Think of all the greatest players in their specific sports.Dwyane Wade and Lebron James both soar through the air, absorb contact and are still able to finish. Players who are so strong on their skates they can't be bodied around. My buddy's old coach played in some game with Crosby at some point and said he had never played someone who was so hard to muscle off the puck. That comes from a good base and a strong ass core.


word, those doods are intense,
and building a core is super fun too, all those workouts with medicine balls and divebombers are wicked.

Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thegoldlaw (Post 555938)
I really do hope that comment above was for dramatic effect. There is absolutely NO way that working your whole body is useless.

I worded that very strangely, im not even sure what I was trying to get at by putting it that way. What I meant is that if you're working out for a good reason like being stronger, faster, or quicker for something, then a strong core is as important as anything beause when you can lock your core when excersizing it puts the focus on the muscles you're trying to focus on. The whole thing I said about doing w/e if you just wanna be big is that people like that may be strong but its sort of a non practical build if they have a weak core.

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 04:11 PM

haha thats why I didn't jump on you for it, I assume your thoughts were a bit cluttered. But yeah a strong core is important. I'm seasonal with mine.. during the summer I have the most ripped core of anyone you'd see, but during winter it becomes sub-par. I love to go swimming but living in maine it really limited during the winter. Also doesnt help I eat alot more during the winter.

Laces Out Dan! 12-01-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thegoldlaw (Post 555959)
haha thats why I didn't jump on you for it, I assume your thoughts were a bit cluttered. But yeah a strong core is important. I'm seasonal with mine.. during the summer I have the most ripped core of anyone you'd see, but during winter it becomes sub-par. I love to go swimming but living in maine it really limited during the winter. Also doesnt help I eat alot more during the winter.

yea, same with me. I definitely hit up the core double time come spring so im ready for summer. Plus Ive gotta work extra hard to maintain then since I drink so much more in the summer.

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 04:52 PM

I used to drink often but after lifting with my cousin I really cut it down. My cousin used to be a personal trainer and before I trained with him I had no idea what I was really doing. After about 6 months of lifting with him I could see a 10-20lbs drop in my lifting session when drinking the prior night. This prompted me to really stop drinking.

lucifer_sam 12-01-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thegoldlaw (Post 555995)
I used to drink often but after lifting with my cousin I really cut it down. My cousin used to be a personal trainer and before I trained with him I had no idea what I was really doing. After about 6 months of lifting with him I could see a 10-20lbs drop in my lifting session when drinking the prior night. This prompted me to really stop drinking.

Yeah, I hear this a lot. People who really take their health seriously (as opposed to meatheads) tend to stay away from the bars.

Not saying there's anything against getting plastered a few nights. :D

adidasss 12-01-2008 06:07 PM

The fuck is this core shit you guys keep rambling about?http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...wer/unsure.gif

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 556068)
The fuck is this core shit you guys keep rambling about?http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...wer/unsure.gif

Lower back, Abs and obliques

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 556003)
Yeah, I hear this a lot. People who really take their health seriously (as opposed to meatheads) tend to stay away from the bars.

Not saying there's anything against getting plastered a few nights. :D


Its weird I'm not too worried about my actural health. I'm a little conceited in that I picture myself a certain size and won't feel happy until I reach it. Also having the strength is extremely nice.

adidasss 12-01-2008 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thegoldlaw (Post 556096)
Lower back, Abs and obliques

Ah, figured, just wanted to make sure. I've gots it covered.

dac 12-01-2008 07:09 PM

I play basketball and indoor soccer, that is the extent of my workout lol.

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 556107)
I play basketball and indoor soccer, that is the extent of my workout lol.


Surprized you dont do legs and triceps would help both sports out

lucifer_sam 12-01-2008 10:31 PM

Basketball players are relatively balanced but soccer players look absolutely goofy: no upper body strength and they're built like a triangle.

Son of JayJamJah 12-01-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss
"The **** is this core **** you guys keep rambling about?"

I thought you were gay?

Astronomer 12-01-2008 10:37 PM

I'm a dancer so I have to work out 5 times a week: 3 weight training sessions and 2 cardio sessions :( It's sucks and I think I'm going to give it up soon 'cause I'm lazy.

thegoldlaw 12-01-2008 10:48 PM

Another reason I lift is due to the endorphin rush. I come home and I just sit down with a smile on my face. This feeling last quite a while too. When I don't lift I feel depressed. Whats funny is people who do drugs and drink look for the same edorphin rush, only difference is lifting weights acturally helps you out.

Farfisa 12-02-2008 03:16 AM

I'm afraid that if I work out at all I'll lose even more weight.

Astronomer 12-02-2008 03:24 AM

^ You'll probably put on weight 'cause you'll put on muscle.

adidasss 12-02-2008 05:44 AM

If he/she eats properly.

kthedrummer 12-02-2008 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thegoldlaw (Post 556272)
Another reason I lift is due to the endorphin rush. I come home and I just sit down with a smile on my face. This feeling last quite a while too. When I don't lift I feel depressed. Whats funny is people who do drugs and drink look for the same edorphin rush, only difference is lifting weights acturally helps you out.

Good observation...I work out six or seven days a week for this reason...I don't do drugs anymore(weed doesn't count IMO) and going to the gym is my high. I do mostly cardio and a little weight lifting. It has become my habit but I am fortunate because I have a lot of extra time.

thegoldlaw 12-02-2008 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kthedrummer (Post 556456)
Good observation...I work out six or seven days a week for this reason...I don't do drugs anymore(weed doesn't count IMO) and going to the gym is my high. I do mostly cardio and a little weight lifting. It has become my habit but I am fortunate because I have a lot of extra time.


I acturally have alot of extra time myself. I have a home tech support company and most of my clients I either go to their house or they drop off their computer and I fix it. Most people I dont hear from until after 5pm. So I have almost the entire day to decide when I want to lift.

dac 12-02-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thegoldlaw (Post 556213)
Surprized you dont do legs and triceps would help both sports out

I've run into major knee issues in the last three years so I can't really do many leg lifts. I used to lift 4 days a week in high school though... now I'm just a lazy college kid.

thegoldlaw 12-02-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 556729)
I've run into major knee issues in the last three years so I can't really do many leg lifts. I used to lift 4 days a week in high school though... now I'm just a lazy college kid.

It is possible, I have a destroyed right rotary cuff, both knees shot, torn right hamstring and i recently rehabilitated right wrist. All mainly due to car accidents.

You can still lift, You just have to know what parts of your body are bad and what their limits are. With shot knees I can only leg press 500, given they were not I could probably do close to 850. Its frustrating but its just something you have to go though. The same could be said for bench press, I used to bench 310 and now I struggle like a champ on 225 due to my right side. You need to start light and continue to stay light until it feels well enough to move up. It took me almost 4 months to get my body to the point where I could go up in bench press and leg press.


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