The English Football Thread

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Nurse Duckett

^ haha

I've always thought it must be so terrible to be a Birmingham fan, have they always been shiit? They have haven't they. How any football club could give Mcleish the managers job amazes me, I nod off during a 20 second interview with him.

I hope the songs sang at the Cardiff/Swansea games next season are disgusting, Sky hate it dont they. Lots of " Gary Neville is a wanker" please.

They consider it a badge of honour that they were the first British team to play in Europe, even though it was in a no mark competition.

Around 2002 though they looked to be on the up, they had some decent players, Dunn, Heskey (was effective), Dugarry, Savage (again effective). They finished mid table and bettered it the following season. Then they lost to Leeds and it all went downhill. Came back, won a trophy and are on a big decline now.

[Goofle]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

Giggs - Ancient
Fletcher - Been out for two years, with his arse intact he'd be good but not at the level he was in 2009
Jones - Better at CB
Carrick - Good but getting on a bit
Powell - Played about 3 times for them and is totally unproven
Anderson - Overweight, hot & cold player, mostly cold

Fabregas would play either CAM or CM. He isn't the type of CM that would compliment Carrick as he is a little too slow and doesn't defend much. And they already have Rooney and Kagawa for CAM.

They need a CM like Ramsey or Vidal.

[Newkie]

Originally Posted by Goofle11

Fabregas would play either CAM or CM. He isn't the type of CM that would compliment Carrick as he is a little too slow and doesn't defend much. And they already have Rooney and Kagawa for CAM.

They need a CM like Ramsey or Vidal.

Ah I see, hype him up and then try to offload him. Sneaky sneaky.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Goofle11

Fabregas would play either CAM or CM. He isn't the type of CM that would compliment Carrick as he is a little too slow and doesn't defend much. And they already have Rooney and Kagawa for CAM.

A soon to be 40 yr old Ryan Giggs and unproven 19 year old Nick Powell don't really compliment Carrick either.

Cesc would be a massive upgrade on anyone they've got in midfield.

...........Carrick.......Cesc..............
Nani.............Kagawa............Zaha
...........Sexy Dutch Bastard..........

Looks fine to me tbh.

I'm sure Rooney will be off anyway. Not that I think he can play in midfield.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

Said earlier Rooney is Chelsea bound imo.

Anyone heard the latest regarding Rooney?

Sky Sports are reporting that Chelsea have made a bid of 10m + Mata or Luiz for Rooney. United say they declined. But Chelsea have hit back and said the bid was only a monetary one. Seems like it's now turning into a war between United and Chelsea for Rooney.

Chelsea: 'The terms of [Rooney] offer are confidential but for avoidance of doubt ... didn't include transfer or loan of any CFC players'

So from what I can see, either United have leaked some bollocks to the press to unsettle a couple of Chelsea players or Chelsea are lying and are trying to backtrack so as to not piss their own players off. I think it's the latter. Chelsea are hardly gonna come out and say 'yes, we offered them a couple of our players', if they didn't then they'd have issued a statement straight away but it must've took about four hours.

Seems like this has got legs though. The hamstring injury, Rooney's leak to the press yesterday ( + ) and now a bid?

[Goofle]

That midfield would get absolutely destroyed Fluffy. Can't just put some names in a mix and hope it works. Ramsey would be a better signing for United (as a CM partner for Carrick) than Cesc.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Goofle11

That midfield would get absolutely destroyed Fluffy.

Again, as opposed to a creaking Giggs and shitty arsed cunt Fletcher?

I don't see the problem with the mix of players, Carrick stays deep, Cesc is the all action centre mid and Kagawa pushes up. Nothing wrong with that midfield.

Why would Ramsey be so much better? Scholes was a slow CAM as well, can't recall him being great at defending either yet he and Carrick were superb together

[Goofle]

Come on man. I know you aren't stupid. Cesc is suddenly "all-action"? The guy barely defends and hardly adds anything other than pure creativity.

And Carrick was a physical specimen a few years back. Started slowing down -hence the need for a more dynamic partner - with Carrick adopting the "Scholes" role (never a CAM alongside Carrick, by the way).

Ramsey has more energy, much better defender etc. That's what United need. Kagawa and Rooney are already World Class #10's, no need for another.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Goofle11

Come on man. I know you aren't stupid.

lol'd

Cesc is suddenly "all-action"? The guy barely defends and hardly adds anything other than pure creativity.

He isn't all action to be fair, but Carrick would be the deep lying playmaker and Cesc could play from the centre. It's certainly a step up from the piss poor options they have at the moment.

(never a CAM alongside Carrick, by the way).

06/07, which was their best season together, they were both central attacking midfielders, they just alternated during games.

Ramsey has more energy, much better defender etc. That's what United need. Kagawa and Rooney are already World Class #10's, no need for another.

Rooney won't be there next season though so he's irrelevant.

[Goofle]

The last point is fair

And if you have a deeper lying CM, he generally tends to be the "passer" of the team in modern football. You play a more dynamic player ahead of them.