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Old 05-30-2008, 08:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i'm sure between myself and guitarbizarre we should be able to handle any guitar question you toss our way hehehe.
I guess I did ask, didn't I. Thanks guys, that was fun. Yeah, I know how humbuckers work. I've read about the matchsticks too. It was simple F*cking light-hearted question and you guys crapped all over it. Good job. Really.
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Old 05-31-2008, 10:46 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'd rather crap all over a thread and give out CORRECT, DETAILED information, than contribute to the already seething pools of old wives tales and snake oil there already is out there when it comes to the subject of guitar tone.

This thread began with you asking a question to which the only definite answer comes from the idea of 'I like this players tone and he usually uses this so I choose option A'

But as myself and Mr Dave pointed out, often production on a record isnt USING that guitar. Page might play an LP in the public eye but on record he could have been and frequently did use anything he wanted to at the time. Same with many many artists.

Not to mention that with the factors of studio magic, the poor quality of most peoples Hi-Fi systems, the reasonably low bitrates of CD, amp settings, double tracking, compression, mastering, mixing, etc etc etc.

Those things I just mentioned, coupled with many more, mean that anyone who can claim to say definitively 'This type of guitar was used on this recording' is lying through their teeth or has been otherwise informed somewhere. The amount of post processing and the differences in players rigs and settings and fingers, make it impossible.



Many people in a thread like this, will come in, and in a blind personal preferences stupor, will answer the question based ONLY on what they think is 'better', which is in turn their opinion because they've been told so by their favourite guitar hero that 'this that and the other are the best tonewise'

And of course because people are ****ing sheep, no-one except people like me and Dave, is actually well informed enough or has the guts to go against the established 'country wisdom' and actually DO THEIR ****ING RESEARCH.
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Old 05-31-2008, 11:13 AM   #13 (permalink)
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A case in point is the user 'Imperium' on the megadeth forums. He owns a half stack and 6 guitars, all but 2 of which kick ass. Yet when I recorded my Viper 400 through a computer michrophone that cost me 5, it kicked the absolute **** out of his tone using proper studio mics, because I was using it better.
What a silly, petty, and esoteric example.
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Old 05-31-2008, 11:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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no-one except people like me and Dave, is actually well informed enough or has the guts to go against the established 'country wisdom' and actually DO THEIR ****ING RESEARCH.

Thank you for your courage, sir. Your examplary actions in the dense digital jungle have given us all something to which we can aspire. The medal of honor should soon arrive in your inbox.
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Old 05-31-2008, 11:35 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I guess I did ask, didn't I. Thanks guys, that was fun. Yeah, I know how humbuckers work. I've read about the matchsticks too. It was simple F*cking light-hearted question and you guys crapped all over it. Good job. Really.
well, just what is it you're trying to find out?

first it was about whether or not the kind of guitar made a difference in the bands we listened to, then it was about the difference between single coil and humbuckers in other people's music.

or were you trying to ask - do you find yourselves listening to guitarists who use strats more than les pauls or vice versa?
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
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What a silly, petty, and esoteric example.
I was using a VOX AD30VT with a 5 microphone I bought from a computer shop. He was using a Behringer 4x12 half stack with a Firewire interface and a Shure mic, the model of which I forget. I was playing a Viper 400, he was playing either a DV8 or his RR5. He had better equipment than me on every level but his tone was terrible. Just nothing but buzzy, tinny distortion.

We both played over the same backing track. His tone was bluntly awful. I am well aware of how arrogant I sound without the sound clip to back it up I even understand what you mean about it being an obscure example, but it was the first thing that came to mind where i could make a direct comparison. I could post my recording no problem but it would prove nothing to you about his tone being bad. If its worth anything to you, he placed 2nd from bottom in that competition while I placed joint 5th of roughly 20/25 people.


And as for your second post...man grow up and quit nitpicking. I was making the point that in the world of guitar equipment theres a lot more people throwing around 'what they heard from this guy once' than there are people who've read up on things and know what they're talking about. An example is Gibson guitars. By reputation, they're nigh on perfect guitars with no flaws whatsoever in the world ever. By actuality, you can just go and look at the thread I made on the matter concerning their current quality control.
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Old 05-31-2008, 03:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm not accusing you of lying about besting some anonymous person on a random metal forum. I just found it kind of funny that you used such a random example with which, most likely, no one would be, in the least, familiar.

As for growing up, I may someday, but for now I prefer directing snarky comments toward people who say things on the internet that I find silly.

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Are you a stoner?
No, but people do ask me that question a lot.
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Do me a favour. Never, EVER get stoned off your face. I don't think the world can handle that much fail.
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