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I love The Clash. But I just want to post something this guy on ProgArchives wrote because I think it's a very good point.

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Consider this, Yes TFTO ocean is often cited by some as the beginning of the end for prog, because it's detractors consider too over the to, lacking substance, that this is why prog had to end.
Well if that is true, why didn't Sadinista by the Clash signify the the end for punk? it was a three disc over the top mess, and unlike TFTO which has strong admirers Sadinista is almost universally panned.
So to me this shows how one sided the industry is, a band that is more than musically competent and competent enoughdoes something bold and they are scorned, while another band that pretty underwhelming in musicality does something sprawling beyond their own ability and are still considered heroes today.
Just remeber this if any punk/hipster say prog rock was too pretentious just answer back Sadinista! that should shut them up, after all Yes weren't too arrogant to say that they were the only band that mattered like the Clash did.

also of note Clash leader Joe Strummer was a rich boy the son of a diplomat and went to boarding school, while Jon Anderson was not so privileged had less oppurtunites (his daughter went to boarding school to get the education he didn't get) and had to work on farms and drive taxis before creating Yes, so folks I believe the Clash was pretentious, and some working class band needs to shake the industry up to stop this upper class pretentious nonsense, I nominate Yes.

Flame shields ready. :finger:

Is this the same Joe Strummer who had nothing to do with his parents from 1968 onwards and who barely saw them before that?

Actually if you want to spilt hairs his father was working class who worked his way up from nothing. :D

i don't think it really matters where people come from.

Beefheart was a pampered spoiled brat, didn't really affect him that much.

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Sandinista! is awesome and I'm sure most Clash fans and reviewers would agree. It could be argued that it was a big mess, but that's kind of what the album was about. I myself realize that there's a hell of a lot of filler, but they took chances and tried a lot of things out, and there are some fantastic songs. Take the 10 best songs from Sandinista and you have an album that rivals London Calling.

Also notice how he feels the need to compare the musicianship of The Clash to Yes... right there I don't take him seriously.

What he's saying is that a lot of the more elitist punk fans make a big deal about working class status of musicians. And one of the criticisms of prog was the upper class backgrounds of the musicians involved.

That of course is a retarded reason to praise or criticise any musician. He was just pointing out the irony and hypocrisy of it.

I also think he has a point when it comes to technical skill. It seems you can do a bloated as f*ck double album or concept album, full of long instrumentals, crptic lyrics, sci fi themes and such. When clasically trained musicians with a lot of chops do it, it's pretentious.

But when post punk and post rock bands did essentially the same kinda thing, only with primitive musicianship. Then it's somehow acceptable. Critics and Pitchforkians alike eat it up.

You tell me how Public Image Ltd doing 10 minutes of atonal noise is any less pretentious than ELP doing toccatas on moog synthesizers. I could never figure that one out.

Well it's because Public Image Ltd. is good and ELP is awful.

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 669334)

I also think he has a point when it comes to technical skill. It seems you can do a bloated as f*ck double album or concept album, full of long instrumentals, crptic lyrics, sci fi themes and such. When clasically trained musicians with a lot of chops do it, it's pretentious.

But when post punk and post rock bands did essentially the same kinda thing, only with primitive musicianship. Then it's somehow acceptable. Critics and Pitchforkians alike eat it up.

And me :D

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 669338)

Well it's because Public Image Ltd. is good and ELP is awful.

Thank you.

You see, this is why I paint such a harsh stereotype of you guys.

I ask a perfectly valid question and you just say something inflamatory instead of giving a straight, serious answer.

Well you know what I think.

I find fantasy & sci fi concepts boring & I hate neo classical rock music anyway.