Feminism

ProggyMan · 02-17-2010, 10:39 AM

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I'm not sure what point you're aiming for, but either way it's not so relevant. Regardless of who wants the baby, the experience is still centred on the woman. At this point the only thing a man has contributed to the scenario is an orgasm. And besides, if we're discussing abortion then clearly at least the woman doesn't want the baby, she can take the guy's feelings into account but the choice rests with her.

That's a disingenuous thing to say, a man has just as much stake in the child as the women. Considering how strongly an unwanted child affects a man I'd say it's affects both sexes equally.

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This is getting off topic, I was just pointing out to Proggy why it's bleedingly obvious that abortion would be a feminist issue, because it touches strongly on the feminist agenda. That doesn't mean they own the topic.

They sure as hell act like it.

Fruitonica · 02-18-2010, 02:07 AM

Nah man, once a child is born and being raised, then the parents have an equal role. But I couldn't ever say that the guy's emotional response is equal to actually being pregnant and all the shit that entails. The man's response varies wildly on whether he really cares about the hypothetical baby, the woman is pregnant regardless of her feelings.

As a simple illustration, as I was going out last Friday night my dad made some joke/warning about getting a girl pregnant, and I said something along the lines of, 'Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd skip town.' Now, that's flippant - but still entirely possible. And it shows a marked difference in the way a pregnancy affects each side.

And a really simple way to put it, which I probably could have used right at the start. Abortions are a feminist issue, because women have abortions.

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They sure as hell act like it.

I think maybe this is an American thing, you're taking the same route BooBoo did when I was arguing with him, and focussing solely on these angry radical feminists, that I never ever see represented in any significant form of media. I could probably find some blogs if I went looking...maybe if I was bombarded with this shit like you seem to be then I would feel differently.

The fact that a big part of this thread is complaining about women who dislike having doors opened for them is just sad and completely misses the point of feminism - which is still valid in the first world as long as women are being raped and assaulted, being paid less than male counterparts and largely under represented in political spheres.

It doesn't always have to be a women v men scenario, a big part of feminism is campaigning for women's interests. Similar groups exist for men.

TemperedRedFan · 02-18-2010, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruitonica

Nah man, once a child is born and being raised, then the parents have an equal role. But I couldn't ever say that the guy's emotional response is equal to actually being pregnant and all the shit that entails. The man's response varies wildly on whether he really cares about the hypothetical baby, the woman is pregnant regardless of her feelings.

As a simple illustration, as I was going out last Friday night my dad made some joke/warning about getting a girl pregnant, and I said something along the lines of, 'Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd skip town.' Now, that's flippant - but still entirely possible. And it shows a marked difference in the way a pregnancy affects each side.

And a really simple way to put it, which I probably could have used right at the start. Abortions are a feminist issue, because women have abortions.

I think maybe this is an American thing, you're taking the same route BooBoo did when I was arguing with him, and focussing solely on these angry radical feminists, that I never ever see represented in any significant form of media. I could probably find some blogs if I went looking...maybe if I was bombarded with this shit like you seem to be then I would feel differently.

The fact that a big part of this thread is complaining about women who dislike having doors opened for them is just sad and completely misses the point of feminism - which is still valid in the first world as long as women are being raped and assaulted, being paid less than male counterparts and completely under represented in political spheres.

It doesn't always have to be a women v men scenario, a big part of feminism is campaigning for women's interests. Similar groups exist for men.

Agree for the most part, although it could be argued that feminism is just a bad title for a movement that was originally aimed at having equality between the sexes (I'm not refering to the extremists who believe things like all men are pigs etc).

One current issue related to feminist values is the legal rights of and facilities available to mothers returning to the workplace. Men don't have this obstacle when they have babies because, as you mentioned, they don't have to deal with the pregnancy. This, I would guess, is the main reason that women tend to have a lower average income then men in many developed nations.

ProggyMan · 02-18-2010, 03:23 PM

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]Nah man, once a child is born and being raised, then the parents have an equal role. But I couldn't ever say that the guy's emotional response is equal to actually being pregnant and all the shit that entails. The man's response varies wildly on whether he really cares about the hypothetical baby, the woman is pregnant regardless of her feelings.

As a simple illustration, as I was going out last Friday night my dad made some joke/warning about getting a girl pregnant, and I said something along the lines of, 'Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd skip town.' Now, that's flippant - but still entirely possible. And it shows a marked difference in the way a pregnancy affects each side.

And a really simple way to put it, which I probably could have used right at the start. Abortions are a feminist issue, because women have abortions.

The only way I see abortions being a feminist issue is in the case of rape victims, otherwise an abortion is a huge issue that affects both men and women greatly. Of course you could make the argument that it affects women more but once that little bugger pops out it's probably a bigger deal for the father.

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The fact that a big part of this thread is complaining about women who dislike having doors opened for them is just sad and completely misses the point of feminism - which is still valid in the first world as long as women are being raped and assaulted, being paid less than male counterparts and largely under represented in political spheres. It doesn't always have to be a women v men scenario, a big part of feminism is campaigning for women's interests. Similar groups exist for men.

Why are you directing this at me?

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I think maybe this is an American thing, you're taking the same route BooBoo did when I was arguing with him, and focussing solely on these angry radical feminists, that I never ever see represented in any significant form of media. I could probably find some blogs if I went looking...maybe if I was bombarded with this shit like you seem to be then I would feel differently.

I have to ask, where are getting this from. I'm not boo boo, you seem to be putting his words in my mouth.

Fruitonica · 02-18-2010, 04:36 PM

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The only way I see abortions being a feminist issue is in the case of rape victims, otherwise an abortion is a huge issue that affects both men and women greatly. Of course you could make the argument that it affects women more but once that little bugger pops out it's probably a bigger deal for the father.

Eh, I've made my case. From now on it's just a matter of opinion.

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Why are you directing this at me?

That was more of a general tangent against a lot of the replies in this thread I thought were stupid.

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I have to ask, where are getting this from. I'm not boo boo, you seem to be putting his words in my mouth.

The phrase, 'they sure act like it', implies a fairly radical type of feminism that discourages any men from discussing the subject. I've never really encountered this type of angry feminism on a large platform - but you obviously have to get this perception so I was just wondering if it was something about the American media.

I'm not trying to say your argument style is anything like boo boo's, so we can all chill.

ProggyMan · 02-18-2010, 04:40 PM

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Eh, I've made my case. From now on it's just a matter of opinion.

That was more of a general tangent against a lot of the replies in this thread I thought were stupid.

The phrase, 'they sure act like it', implies a fairly radical type of feminism that discourages any men from discussing the subject. I've never really encountered this type of angry feminism on a large platform - but you obviously have to get this perception so I was just wondering if it was something about the American media.

I'm not trying to say your argument style is anything like boo boo's, so we can all chill.

No quarrel then.

Oriphiel · 05-20-2018, 06:56 AM

*necrobump*

So, twelve years after this thread was made, where does everyone stand on Feminism?

kibbeh · 05-21-2018, 02:30 PM

white women feminism is stupid and focused on unimportant **** like being able to walk around with your boobies out

i am all for feminism in countries where women are actually oppressed tho

The Batlord · 05-21-2018, 03:00 PM

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white women feminism is stupid and focused on unimportant **** like being able to walk around with your boobies out

i am all for feminism in countries where women are actually oppressed tho

Yeah, just put on your burka and stfu, sluts.

kibbeh · 05-21-2018, 03:04 PM

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Yeah, just put on your burka and stfu, sluts.

no burkas

05-20-2018, 06:56 AM	#77 (permalink)
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