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duga 06-11-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra (Post 1068622)
Somebody ****ing listen to an album club album, review an album, resurrect a dead thread with criminally low replies, or write a freaking journal. One month without Dirty isn't the end of the world.

Alright?

This is a ****ing music site not gossip central, and Dirty is NOT Nelson Mendela.

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1068623)
Much my opinion, and this is why I quoted urbans post in the first place. Its also why I've been talking about dicks and ponies for the last few posts.

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra (Post 1068624)
Well, I don't see you doing any of the things I mentioned, get to it.

God damn, yes! Please!

GuitarBizarre 06-11-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1068628)
Dick Banter? :laughing:

Dicks Riding Ponies Banter maybe.

Or Ponies Riding Dicks Banter!

Bloozcrooz 06-11-2011 03:10 PM

People are always expected to act in a non offensive uptight no sense of humor or fun kind of way. If its not to the standard and class that most of society deems acceptable then its foul and repulsive and never funny. Most the time its probally because of just a couple of people who actually took offense and complain or are in a position to enforce ther're authority. More than likely using the comadery amongst other fellow authority figures to reinforce and justify the reasoning behind their motives.( I notice this takes place in sports a lot and almost to the point that your watching people behave like robots rather than actual human beings with their own personality.) Instead whenever they behave outside the norm of what the league considers the norm they get handed suspensions and fines etc etc. Its no different here or anywhere else for that matter and as the world progresses more the less things and other types of behavior are acceptable. You cant fart now days without some whiny lil bitch getting offended and its not going to change or go away. Your only allowed to find what others consider funny and not allowed to develop you own thoughts or opinion in many different areas of life. People for the most part cant handle blatent honesty or people who possess any kind of sense of humor other than the one that they are told to have.

duga 06-11-2011 03:15 PM

Yeah, that's it. We want everyone to behave like robots.

Finally, someone understands.

GuitarBizarre 06-11-2011 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1068641)
Yeah, that's it. We want everyone to behave like robots.

Finally, someone understands.

Subroutine Omega Triggered.

Initiate Lazers.

Paedantic Basterd 06-11-2011 04:02 PM

  • The new rule regarding impersonating staff or members in chat is entirely reasonable. There are a number of negative results of staff or users being posed as, and seeing as it's now become an actual problem, it needs to be dealt with.
  • Moderators have inconsistencies because we all have differing opinions and calls of judgment. It's simply not possible to get the consensus of every moderator before we make the smallest decision. That said, any large decision does receive a MAJORITY consensus by the staff.
  • The applications of the two new site rules as well as the banning of Dirty was a majority consensus amongst the moderators.
  • You are all well aware of the rules and the personalities of the people you share this forum with; I fail to understand how you could be shocked by this particular banning.
  • As for the IRC chat, it's been discussed and decided that if we are going to provide and promote this through the site, then it must be regulated, because apparently the people who use it behave like children in Lord of the Flies when they're not carefully watched by adults, and can't possibly restrain themselves from violating every simple act of human decency. The reality is that what is said in the chat fosters problems ON SITE, and your fellow users can't be trusted to use such a tool respectfully.

Freebase Dali 06-11-2011 04:15 PM

Guys, the mods are just trying to cover up what really happened here, in an attempt to shelter me from public outrage so soon after my completely inappropriate outburst of opinion in the Spill Your Guts thread. Out of respect for my fellow moderators, I must tell the truth about what happened to dirty and take on full responsibility.

But I forgot what happened, because I was drunk.
I'm pretty sure it was bad though. So I've decided to step down from drinking alcohol, until later tonight. If something happens tonight, to a certain oojay and a certain Virgin, I apologize in advance, and take full credit.

Bloozcrooz 06-11-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1068664)
Guys, the mods are just trying to cover up what really happened here, in an attempt to shelter me from public outrage so soon after my completely inappropriate outburst of opinion in the Spill Your Guts thread. Out of respect for my fellow moderators, I must tell the truth about what happened to dirty and take on full responsibility.

But I forgot what happened, because I was drunk.
I'm pretty sure it was bad though. So I've decided to step down from drinking alcohol, until later tonight. If something happens tonight, to a certain oojay and a certain Virgin, I apologize in advance, and take full credit.

:laughing:

Arya Stark 06-11-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1068610)
I completely agree with you. You have to understand, each mod has a different idea of what is appropriate to tell and what isn't. A certain level of discretion is preferred just because it might actually be embarrassing to the person who was banned. I'm not saying this is the case with Dirty, but we want to at least try to be consistent. Obviously, that is harder than it sounds.

I can definitely understand that, and thank you for this explanation and for being so polite.

right-track 06-11-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1068664)
Guys, the mods are just trying to cover up what really happened here, in an attempt to shelter me from public outrage so soon after my completely inappropriate outburst of opinion in the Spill Your Guts thread. Out of respect for my fellow moderators, I must tell the truth about what happened to dirty and take on full responsibility.

But I forgot what happened, because I was drunk.
I'm pretty sure it was bad though. So I've decided to step down from drinking alcohol, until later tonight. If something happens tonight, to a certain oojay and a certain Virgin, I apologize in advance, and take full credit.

Boo Boo?

GuitarBizarre 06-11-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 1068684)
Boo Boo?

Bring him back. That'd be awesome.

Scarlett O'Hara 06-11-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1068533)
Seriously? You guys are just grasping at this point. How is pointing out someone's own posts, VERBATUM, an insult? Watch me get banned via the Butt Hurt rule. Lulz.

Oh, my God! That is so unfair! This is like, well sexual harassment! If you like, fancy me why don't you just say so? God, this is exactly like the time Miss Rennig, who everyone knows is a total lesbian, made Candice Burton stay behind after PE, started telling her off for gobbing on Sunita Geschwani's hair. But everyone knows she only made her stay late because she wanted to get off with her, cuz when she was telling her off her legs were wide open and Candice reckons she could see her spider.

http://www.littlebritain.ukf.net/images/vicky_main.jpg

Arya Stark 06-11-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra (Post 1068622)
Somebody ****ing listen to an album club album, review an album, resurrect a dead thread with criminally low replies, or write a freaking journal. One month without Dirty isn't the end of the world.

Alright?

This is a ****ing music site not gossip central, and Dirty is NOT Nelson Mendela.

For the sake of my sanity, I have been doing just that. If it was more of a group effort, we'd make much more of a difference, though.

EvilChuck 06-11-2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1068694)
Oh, my God! That is so unfair! This is like, well sexual harassment! If you like, fancy me why don't you just say so? God, this is exactly like the time Miss Rennig, who everyone knows is a total lesbian, made Candice Burton stay behind after PE, started telling her off for gobbing on Sunita Geschwani's hair. But everyone knows she only made her stay late because she wanted to get off with her, cuz when she was telling her off her legs were wide open and Candice reckons she could see her spider.

http://www.littlebritain.ukf.net/images/vicky_main.jpg

Wait, is this now the thread where we tell Vanilla that we'd have sex with her?

Thats one less PM I have to send later. Dont worry Boozin, yours is still on the way xox

Bloozcrooz 06-11-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilChuck (Post 1068696)
Wait, is this now the thread where we tell Vanilla that we'd have sex with her?

Thats one less PM I have to send later. Dont worry Boozin, yours is still on the way xox

What? What does your comment or Vanilla refference have to do with me?

[MERIT] 06-11-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1068664)
If something happens tonight, to a certain oojay and a certain Virgin, I apologize in advance, and take full credit.

You, me and a virgin? Sounds like the start of a bad joke. And by "bad joke," I mean something that is probably illegal in most states.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1068694)
Oh, my God! That is so unfair! This is like, well sexual harassment! If you like, fancy me why don't you just say so? God, this is exactly like the time Miss Rennig, who everyone knows is a total lesbian, made Candice Burton stay behind after PE, started telling her off for gobbing on Sunita Geschwani's hair. But everyone knows she only made her stay late because she wanted to get off with her, cuz when she was telling her off her legs were wide open and Candice reckons she could see her spider.

Does anyone here speak Valley Girl so that I can decipher this?

EvilChuck 06-11-2011 06:46 PM

OH MY GOD oojay, that aint even nuffin or nuffin!

Scarlett O'Hara 06-11-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1068714)
You, me and a virgin? Sounds like the start of a bad joke. And by "bad joke," I mean something that is probably illegal in most states.


Does anyone here speak Valley Girl so that I can decipher this?

OOh I cant beleive you just said that! I've never had sex nor nuffing except that one time eight months ago but other than that I'm a virgin!

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-11-2011 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1068714)


Does anyone here speak Valley Girl so that I can decipher this?

That's not Valley Girl that's Chav

[MERIT] 06-11-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1068723)
That's not Valley Girl that's Chav

Chavs? You forget that we don't have them here in the states. I vaguely recall a Lounge thread years ago, equating them to trailer trash Italians who wear Burberry. Am I close?

someonecompletelyrandom 06-11-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1068598)
Well yes it should be common sense but we are talking about a chatroom only a handful of users bother with that isn't an official part of the site.
I can understand exactly why people might think the rules of the forum wouldn't apply there and things could me more loose.

I've been a mod, I know that most bannings are never down to just one thing. I just think having some mods come out & say it was because of that he was banned was a mistake. Just say he was banned for trolling and that from now on the rules in the chatroom are going to be tighter and you would have never had this clusterfuck going on now.

I'd like to have said that. But everyone seems to be desperate for information regarding his banning. Giving them any insight at all was a mistake I see, and unless we as a group decide to make bannings public, I personally won't be sharing any information regarding bannings in the future. The problem is Dirty was banned for several reasons and every mod seems to have shared a different detail, crafting a rather obscure picture that you wouldn't comprehend unless you were in the Mod Cave when it transpired.

I'm not angry at anyone who PM'd me and asked why Dirty was banned. From now on however, don't ask me about any bannings. All you'll get is the principle they broke and nothing else.

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-11-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1068747)
I'd like to have said that. But everyone seems to be desperate for information regarding his banning. Giving them any insight at all was a mistake I see, and unless we as a group decide to make bannings public, I personally won't be sharing any information regarding bannings in the future. The problem is Dirty was banned for several reasons and every mod seems to have shared a different detail, crafting a rather obscure picture that you wouldn't comprehend unless you were in the Mod Cave when it transpired.

I'm not angry at anyone who PM'd me and asked why Dirty was banned. From now on however, don't ask me about any bannings. All you'll get is the principle they broke and nothing else.

I agree with everything you've said here. That's why I have always been against it when people want the reasons for bannings listed, it's never always that clear cut.

For some reason a lot of members don't seem to understand it can be for an accumulation of things rather than the last thing to happen, so then you get all these tedious posts going whaa whaa whaa so & so does this & wasn't banned, whaa whaa whaa I suppose you're going to ban everybody who says that now whaa whaa whaa you're being power mad because you don't like him whaa whaa whaa so on & so on.

Nobody needs to go into detail, he acted like a prick & got banned. That's all that anybody needs to know.

someonecompletelyrandom 06-11-2011 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1068751)
I agree with everything you've said here. That's why I have always been against it when people want the reasons for bannings listed, it's never always that clear cut.

For some reason a lot of members don't seem to understand it can be for an accumulation of things rather than the last thing to happen, so then you get all these tedious posts going whaa whaa whaa so & so does this & wasn't banned, whaa whaa whaa I suppose you're going to ban everybody who says that now whaa whaa whaa you're being power mad because you don't like him whaa whaa whaa so on & so on.

Nobody needs to go into detail, he acted like a prick & got banned. That's all that anybody needs to know.

I think this is the most important thing people need to realize. In addition, infractions and warnings are private. If a member has multiple previous infractions for doing the same thing, I'm going to ban him if he does it again. Regular members just don't see that process.

Paedantic Basterd 06-11-2011 08:22 PM

The amount of restraint we exercise in dealing with regular members who violate the rules is remarkable. We let so many users who display poor behaviour slide time and time again, and perhaps that's the problem. We're too lenient, so regulars think this is acceptable, and are shocked when we finally do something to counteract the rule-breaking.

It's not acceptable. We will only forgive so much repeated behaviour.

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-11-2011 08:22 PM

One of the things I learned as a mod quickly is to keep my mouth shut when something like this happens until the person that did the banning has spoken because if you speculate as to why and you're wrong the people on this forum will see it as weakness & try & rip you apart because of it.

[MERIT] 06-11-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1068758)
The amount of restraint we exercise in dealing with regular members who violate the rules is remarkable. We let so many users who display poor behaviour slide time and time again, and perhaps that's the problem. We're too lenient, so regulars think this is acceptable, and are shocked when we finally do something to counteract the rule-breaking.

It's not acceptable. We will only forgive so much repeated behaviour.

I don't see leniency as the problem, so much as a lack of continuity, which is inherant, as different people have different interpretations of what is acceptable and what is not.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
if you speculate as to why and you're wrong the people on this forum will see it as weakness & try & rip you apart because of it.

Speaking as a member, I think that members just want some overall peace of mind. They want to know why their friends got banned, because they feel that it personally affects them.

I doubt that the goal is to rip a mod to pieces, but rather to assure themselves that it was a just decision. When the issue gets ignored or left to speculation, it seems to set off alarm bells and make it appear like the situation has alot more going on behind the scenes than it actually does.

Paedantic Basterd 06-11-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1068765)
I don't see leniency as the problem, so much as a lack of continuity, which is inherant, as different people have different interpretations of what is acceptable and what is not.

It's difficult to obtain any continuity without setting ourselves extremely strict guidelines for offenders and posing ourselves a list of cut and dry questions for every decision we make. Coming to a consensus on what those personal guidelines should consist of is in and of itself impossible with a staff of what, 10 entirely different people? Ultimately, it would mean much less wiggle room in situations, and a lot more restrictions for everyone, which is not what I believe is wanted.

Dr_Rez 06-11-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1068760)
One of the things I learned as a mod quickly is to keep my mouth shut when something like this happens until the person that did the banning has spoken because if you speculate as to why and you're wrong the people on this forum will see it as weakness & try & rip you apart because of it.

Dont lie, your a loudmouth whos always starting ****. Probably the most disagreeable person on the internet. Or maybe Im still just sour from my infraction all those years ago.

someonecompletelyrandom 06-11-2011 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1068774)
Dont lie, your a loudmouth whos always starting ****. Probably the most disagreeable person on the internet. Or maybe Im still just sour from my infraction all those years ago.

Careful now, he may not be a mod anymore but he can still infract you in real life.

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-11-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1068765)
I don't see leniency as the problem, so much as a lack of continuity, which is inherant, as different people have different interpretations of what is acceptable and what is not.

How would you know this anyway?

You have no knowledge of that persons history, you don't know how many friendly reminders, infractions or final warnings that person has been given beforehand.

Say someone has had lots of these in the past and is on a final warning and then they do something. A mod might say what the last thing they did before they were banned was or look at the fuller picture & say why they were in that position in the first place. 2 different reasons for the same ban and both legitimate. It's not a case of lack of continuity, it's a case of several factors adding up to the same result.

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1068774)
Dont lie, your a loudmouth whos always starting ****. Probably the most disagreeable person on the internet. Or maybe Im still just sour from my infraction all those years ago.

It's both

You C*nt :D

Queen Boo 06-11-2011 08:56 PM

Dirty just wants to let everyone know he had no warnings or PMs about anything since December.

Thanks y'all.

someonecompletelyrandom 06-11-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumor (Post 1068777)
Dirty just wants to let everyone know he had no warnings or PMs about anything since December.

Thanks y'all.

We have records which indicate otherwise.

FaSho 06-11-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1068778)
We have records which indicate otherwise.

Picturing your avatar say that is scary as hell.

Paedantic Basterd 06-11-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumor (Post 1068777)
Dirty just wants to let everyone know he had no warnings or PMs about anything since December.

Thanks y'all.

This is definitely false. Perhaps, as is the case with the rules, Dirty's interpretation of "warnings" and "infractions" is unique to him.

Dr_Rez 06-11-2011 09:13 PM

Seems as this issue is a mute point. And that theres no point in continuing this.

Freebase Dali 06-11-2011 09:15 PM

Here ya go, folks... Have a break from that seat-less bike.

Dr_Rez 06-11-2011 09:16 PM

Ok the video is allright, the song? ... ****ING AMAZING.

Freebase Dali 06-11-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1068785)
Ok the video is allright, the song? ... ****ING AMAZING.

I know. I'm probably going to rip it from the vid and put it in my library.

Sansa Stark 06-11-2011 09:18 PM


Dr_Rez 06-11-2011 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1068786)
I know. I'm probably going to rip it from the vid and put it in my library.

Yea if you do that dont be afraid to pm me a copy.


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