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Dirty 02-11-2011 01:06 PM

When Someone is Banned
 
Alright, little idea I got here.

When someone is banned, why not display on their profile when they were banned and for what reason, and how long the ban is in effect until? Like I can see on my own profile my "infractions" but not anyone elses. Someone like RandyMarsh (just a recent example) gets banned and nobody knows why or for how long. Why not just make it available? :usehead:

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-11-2011 01:07 PM

Why do you need to know so badly?

duga 02-11-2011 01:08 PM

Yeah, we mods like having inside information. Maybe if you ask nicely we will tell you.

Bloozcrooz 02-11-2011 01:08 PM

Its showing why in the moderators hate mail topic..the dude is relentless and patronizing the mods

Dirty 02-11-2011 01:08 PM

It isn't a life or death situation. Forgive me if that is how it sounded.

But why leave people in the dark when people are interested? Everytime someone is banned people speculate about it and wonder. Why not just have it available? :confused:

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-11-2011 01:11 PM

I don't know why people bother speculating.
99/100 it's usually someone having a meltdown and is usually deleted so there's nothing to see anyway.

Dirty 02-11-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin (Post 1002168)
Its showing why in the moderators hate mail topic..the dude is relentless and patronizing the mods

Yeah I see that, I was just using him as an example. Not sure if a reason was ever really given for him being banned initially even though I wasn't a fan of him anyways. It's like if I hop on MB tomorrow and you are banned, I'd be interested as to why. My guess would be drunken insults :rofl: but your posts would be deleted and I'd wanna know why.

Burning Down 02-11-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1002163)
Why do you need to know so badly?

This, and if were to ever be temp banned from a forum, I personally wouldn't want everyone knowing why. It's not anybody's business.

Dirty 02-11-2011 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1002175)
This, and if were to ever be temp banned from a forum, I personally wouldn't want everyone knowing why. It's not anybody's business.

So... when someones banned you don't think anyone is interested as to why? Or for how long?

Freebase Dali 02-11-2011 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002171)
It isn't a life or death situation. Forgive me if that is how it sounded.

But why leave people in the dark when people are interested? Everytime someone is banned people speculate about it and wonder. Why not just have it available? :confused:

Why not just wait until the person comes back and ask them yourself?
If they want everyone to know, then they'll make that info available.

Janszoon 02-11-2011 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002171)
It isn't a life or death situation. Forgive me if that is how it sounded.

But why leave people in the dark when people are interested? Everytime someone is banned people speculate about it and wonder. Why not just have it available? :confused:

I can PM you every time I ban someone if you like. Of course 99% of the time it's a spammer so your inbox will probably fill up pretty fast.

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-11-2011 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002179)
So... when someones banned you don't think anyone is interested as to why? Or for how long?

It's not for the mods to go around announcing bannings. You just give them even more attention if you do that.
It's not like they're banned from the whole internet.
I'm sure if it's a regular poster someone will talk to them at some point.

Dirty 02-11-2011 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1002181)
I can PM you every time I ban someone if you like. Of course 99% of the time it's a spammer so your inbox will probably fill up pretty fast.

Hah, hold the spammers please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1002180)
Why not just wait until the person comes back and ask them yourself?
If they want everyone to know, then they'll make that info available.

How do I know if they'll be back? Why not just post it in the member bans thread? Like Randy Marsh: banned for _______ days for _______ reason

Freebase Dali 02-11-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002184)
How do I know if they'll be back? Why not just post it in the member bans thread? Like Randy Marsh: banned for _______ days for _______ reason

If you see them posting in the forums... they're back.

Janszoon 02-11-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002184)
How do I know if they'll be back? Why not just post it in the member bans thread? Like Randy Marsh: banned for _______ days for _______ reason

Randy Marsh
banned for: ever
for: being a dick

Good?

Bloozcrooz 02-11-2011 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002174)
Yeah I see that, I was just using him as an example. Not sure if a reason was ever really given for him being banned initially even though I wasn't a fan of him anyways. It's like if I hop on MB tomorrow and you are banned, I'd be interested as to why. My guess would be drunken insults :rofl: but your posts would be deleted and I'd wanna know why.

Lol..drunken insults...oh yeah it is friday isnt it??..nice!! Naw I get what your saying and like ive stated before drama is interesting in everything its involved in. Look at that crappy show Jersey Shore. As for Marsh he always fired back with vulgarity..he even did somewhat to me when I was trying to help him out as what to not post. Didnt bother me though I found it comical

Guybrush 02-11-2011 01:20 PM

Actually, I don't mind transparency, but I don't think I'd want to report in a thread to the whole community every time I ban someone. Besides, when explaining why you ban someone, you'd also have to demonstrate how the banned member broke the rules. Often, the banned member's offending posts will be deleted and so reports like that could put the banned user in a worse light than he/she would otherwise be. Hence, perhaps there should be some level of discretion - not the keeping it a secret kind, but perhaps we shouldn't advertise the reasons why when people are banned.

But, if someone sends me a PM asking me why I banned someone, I'm happy to explain with quotations of the offending posts etc. It's only natural members of the community are curious, interested or even offended which is perfectly alright, so don't hesitate to send a PM.

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-11-2011 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tore (Post 1002192)
so don't hesitate to send a PM.

I bet you live to regret that line :laughing:

Dirty 02-11-2011 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1002186)
If you see them posting in the forums... they're back.

Really!? :finger:

Basically it's just like... A lot of members wonder when someone gets banned how long they'll be gone and for what reason. "Why?" doesn't really even matter does it? Curiosity, maybe it's someone who they talk to on here a good bit in certain threads, whatever. I don't see how it's nobody's business when it's all happening on a forum that we are all a part of.

Bloozcrooz 02-11-2011 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1002187)
Randy Marsh
banned for: ever
for: being a dick

Good?

:rofl::rofl:

duga 02-11-2011 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1002187)
Randy Marsh
banned for: ever
for: being a dick

Good?

:laughing:

Janszoon 02-11-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002194)
Really!? :finger:

Basically it's just like... A lot of members wonder when someone gets banned how long they'll be gone and for what reason. "Why?" doesn't really even matter does it? Curiosity, maybe it's someone who they talk to on here a good bit in certain threads, whatever. I don't see how it's nobody's business when it's all happening on a forum that we are all a part of.

Usually if it's a member that's known enough to be missed someone starts a thread about it and the mods end up responding with an explanation. Nobody is hiding anything here. All you have to do is ask.

Dirty 02-11-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tore (Post 1002192)
Actually, I don't mind transparency, but I don't think I'd want to report in a thread to the whole community every time I ban someone. Besides, when explaining why you ban someone, you'd also have to demonstrate how the banned member broke the rules. Often, the banned member's offending posts will be deleted and so reports like that could put the banned user in a worse light than he/she would otherwise be. Hence, perhaps there should be some level of discretion - not the keeping it a secret kind, but perhaps we shouldn't advertise the reasons why when people are banned.

But, if someone sends me a PM asking me why I banned someone, I'm happy to explain with quotations of the offending posts etc. It's only natural members of the community are curious, interested or even offended which is perfectly alright, so don't hesitate to send a PM.

Wow, wasn't expecting a solid response here. Thanks, well said. I will send you a PM if I am ever curious. Just seemed like having it on their profile would be pretty easy. You can already see your own infractions, I don't see anything bad coming from letting the rest of the MB members know why someone got the axe.

Janszoon 02-11-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002199)
Wow, wasn't expecting a solid response here. Thanks, well said. I will send you a PM if I am ever curious. Just seemed like having it on their profile would be pretty easy. You can already see your own infractions, I don't see anything bad coming from letting the rest of the MB members know why someone got the axe.

I actually don't think we have any way of making the explanations appear on their profile though. Like I said above, if you want to know just ask.

Dirty 02-11-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1002201)
I actually don't think we have any way of making the explanations appear on their profile though. Like I said above, if you want to know just ask.

Will do. Thanks :afro:

Bloozcrooz 02-11-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1002186)
If you see them posting in the forums... they're back.

:laughing:..at least this thread is good for some laughs. All you guys crack me up

Freebase Dali 02-11-2011 01:32 PM

We could put it in their signature, but that's about it.
I wouldn't have a problem putting their ban expiration date in their sigs if it's someone who's actually an integrated member here and other members would like a reference. But I'm not going to put someone's rap sheet out in the open. The members themselves can decide whether to let people know or not.

Raust 02-11-2011 01:54 PM

Maybe MB should get a seperate website where you could type in the users name and then it would show why they got banned. Much like some of the judicial websites out there hahaha!

Burning Down 02-11-2011 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1002179)
So... when someones banned you don't think anyone is interested as to why? Or for how long?

Of course people are going to be interested - it's gossip. I know everyone loves good gossip, but:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1002180)
If they want everyone to know, then they'll make that info available.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1002187)
Randy Marsh
banned for: ever
for: being a dick

Good?

:rofl:Good one!

Queen Boo 02-11-2011 01:59 PM

If this forum was really so strict about people being dicks then we'd all get banned except for like 4 people.

Dirty 02-11-2011 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1002207)
We could put it in their signature, but that's about it.
I wouldn't have a problem putting their ban expiration date in their sigs if it's someone who's actually an integrated member here and other members would like a reference. But I'm not going to put someone's rap sheet out in the open. The members themselves can decide whether to let people know or not.

I like this idea. Something to think about. I can't see any regulars getting banned, I'd probably be voted most likely if there were such a vote though, so I am requesting that in the event of a ban, the expiration date please be posted in my sig.

TheBig3 02-11-2011 02:22 PM

Well for what its worth, since I've been given an infraction for literally nothing, I don't think explaining yourselves is out of the question. And since apparently the ****ing thing is permanent, I'd love for everyone to say their piece about the rule infracted upon so we don't create rampant, unchecked mod power.

And yeah, I'm still pretty pissed about that ****ing stunt.

Janszoon 02-11-2011 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1002262)
And yeah, I'm still pretty pissed about that ****ing stunt.

Really? Wasn't it meant as a joke?

Or are you being facetious?

Bloozcrooz 02-11-2011 02:53 PM

I dont get why anyone would be pissed? Whats the big deal? meh

Paedantic Basterd 02-11-2011 03:14 PM

Seems like a bit of an invasion of privacy. Granted, trolls probably couldn't care less who knows about their dramz.

Bloozcrooz 02-11-2011 03:22 PM

I can see someone not wanting their buisness put out there for everyone to see. But if your getting pissed because you got a write up your probally taking things a little to seriously. Are there not bigger issues in life then a write up on MB to get under your skin? Im not all for following rules in life but if you do something to get in trouble just suffer the consequences and go on. Not a big deal

Paedantic Basterd 02-11-2011 03:31 PM

I mean, I suppose the point is that it's not actually our business, as curious as I know we all are.

Freebase Dali 02-11-2011 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1002262)
Well for what its worth, since I've been given an infraction for literally nothing, I don't think explaining yourselves is out of the question. And since apparently the ****ing thing is permanent, I'd love for everyone to say their piece about the rule infracted upon so we don't create rampant, unchecked mod power.

And yeah, I'm still pretty pissed about that ****ing stunt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicBanter Forum Rules
We do what we want.

But no, seriously, I feel your pain. I got infracted when I first joined for using the name "Hitler". It was out of jest, both the post and the infraction, but it annoys the crap out of me that it's always there every time I open my user CP and I can't remove it. After all this time, it still makes me think there's a new visitor message for a second.

TheCunningStunt 02-11-2011 04:27 PM

Who honestly gives a fuck?

If it's a forum regular that's been banned, there's usually a thread started asking why the member in question was banned and a mod usually addresses the situation.

Freebase Dali 02-11-2011 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 1002341)
Who honestly gives a fuck?

If it's a forum regular that's been banned, there's usually a thread started bitching about why the member in question was banned and a mod usually has to wade through an uprising of Egyptian proportions to arrive at reiterating what no one read, or cared about, in the forum rules.

Fixed.


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