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[MERIT] 06-13-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1069898)
This entire statement is just an insult, not an argument. Are you actually going to use any logic in your arguments, or do facts and logic mean something diffferent to you than they do to me?

I'm having trouble deciphering your post, as it has no over-used Latin literary terms imbedded in it. My response to duga had nothing to do with anyone else but myself. If you choose to misinterpret it as otherwise, then that is your problem. I really can't think of a way to dumb it down any more so that you can understand it, so I hope that this will suffice.

duga 06-13-2011 05:53 PM

Is there even an argument here? Seriously, it sounds like a bunch of mindless arguing that makes no sense. I'll leave it here for the record, but any more irrelevant posts and I'm gonna start deleting them.

Paedantic Basterd 06-13-2011 06:12 PM

Alright, you lot had your opportunity to behave like mature and responsible adults in this thread, and were given fair warning that it would be closed if further malarkey occurred.

The last few pages have made it clear that this forum is not emotionally capable of dealing with such a heated topic, and as such, this thread is now closed. Whether or not further such threads will be entertained is now in the moderators' court.

I warned you.

Janszoon 06-13-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1069825)
For someone who is so dedicated to maintaining member privacy, you sure do like to pop off at the jaw about my personal history, don't you?

Huh? In what way am I "so dedicated to maintaining member privacy"? What are you even talking about?

[MERIT] 06-13-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1070037)
Huh? In what way am I "so dedicated to maintaining member privacy"? What are you even talking about?

Oh, you know, the whole 50 pages or so of mods talking about not releasing the infraction and punishment history of members in order to maintain their personal privacy. Just that.

And Pedestrain is gonna kick your butt for unlocking her thread :O

Paedantic Basterd 06-13-2011 09:04 PM

There, Jansz, you have your answer. End of discussion.

Janszoon 06-13-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1070042)
Oh, you know, the whole 50 pages or so of mods talking about not releasing the infraction and punishment history of members in order to maintain their personal privacy. Just that.

Hey, guess what? The mods are not a monolithic entity that all agree on everything. Instead of making wild assumptions about what I think based on your odd preconceptions about the mod team how making the effort to, you know, actually read what I've said on the subject. I'll even help you out with some posts from this very thread:

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1002198)
Usually if it's a member that's known enough to be missed someone starts a thread about it and the mods end up responding with an explanation. Nobody is hiding anything here. All you have to do is ask.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1049482)
I used to be a member on a forum where people were often banned secretly for unknown reasons and no one was allowed to ask about it. As a result I think I have a bit of a different viewpoint than the other mods on this. I'm more than happy to provide reasons for a ban if people want to know, at least in a general sense.


Janszoon 06-13-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1070045)
There, Jansz, you have your answer. End of discussion.

Not yet I don't.

Paedantic Basterd 06-13-2011 09:11 PM

Clearly we are demonstrating the above point that we do not all agree on each matter.

Janszoon 06-13-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1070054)
Clearly we are demonstrating the above point that we do not all agree on each matter.

Yep.

Paedantic Basterd 06-13-2011 09:14 PM

Well, at least we agree on that.

[MERIT] 06-13-2011 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1070051)
Hey, guess what? The mods are not a monolithic entity that all agree on everything. Instead of making wild assumptions about what I think based on your odd preconceptions about the mod team how making the effort to, you know, actually read what I've said on the subject. I'll even help you out with some posts from this very thread:

I was addressing you as a representative of the mod team. Unfortunately, when one you of you f*cks up, you all get charged with f*cking up by association. Doesn't seem fair, but that's the perception. You guys are a team that make team decisions. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch (generally speaking of course).

Scarlett O'Hara 06-13-2011 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1070136)
I was addressing you as a representative of the mod team. Unfortunately, when one you of you f*cks up, you all get charged with f*cking up by association. Doesn't seem fair, but that's the perception. You guys are a team that make team decisions. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch (generally speaking of course).

I agree with this. Action will be taken to prevent further disagreements between moderators or others on the board.

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 12:02 AM

as long as you keep allowing people to post mindless rubbish and despoiling the quality of this board, inciting hatred and fuelling hate amongst the rational contributors, i doubt I'll be sticking here for long anyway

back to the comfort of Music Babble and markprindle.yuku

crash_override 06-14-2011 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1070143)
as long as you keep allowing people to post mindless rubbish and despoiling the quality of this board, inciting hatred and fuelling hate amongst the rational contributors, i doubt I'll be sticking here for long anyway

back to the comfort of Music Babble and markprindle.yuku

Yes, we all know you want The Virgin to be banned. I can't say I disagree, but other than trolling around spreading ignorance and tales of blatant homosexuality, he's not really breaking any rules for the most part.

Bloozcrooz 06-14-2011 12:05 AM

And he knows that and plays the role very well...I dont think that he is as ignorant as he makes out to be. Only when he is questioned and on the verge of a back and forth battle. Then when someone loses their cool with him he plays the I didnt have a clue role which is exzactly what he wanted the whole time.

The Virgin 06-14-2011 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin (Post 1070145)
And he knows that and plays the role very well...I dont think that he is as ignorant as he makes out to be. Only when he is questioned and on the verge of a back and forth battle. Then when someone loses their cool with him he plays the I didnt have a clue role which is exzactly what he wanted the whole time.

you make it sound like everything i do here is a manipulative, ill motivated post. i completely deny that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1070143)
as long as you keep allowing people to post mindless rubbish and despoiling the quality of this board, inciting hatred and fuelling hate amongst the rational contributors, i doubt I'll be sticking here for long anyway

back to the comfort of Music Babble and markprindle.yuku

talking about hate, let's try to be detailed here. i respond to your posts, it's always peaceful and done with good intentions. everytime you respond on my posts, you're always pissed and mad and always wave that "i wish you're gone" wagon. now, let me ask the question, whos'e the hater? whose' more rational?

i don't know what's the term in english but the last sentence sounds like a spoiled brat saying "Mommy, you better buy me a candy or else i won't eat my dinner".

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1069888)

the first time i smiled at something you posted.

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1069838)
Agreed.

Like I said, oojay, I had nothing against you. You are quickly starting to come off as a drama queen, though. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by keeping this going?

he wants to set things right, i guess. just my opinion.

but with all due respect to everyone here, my thought on the matter is that i view musicbanter as a family. the mods are the parents and the members are the children. now the parents set some rules to ensure that the family works in the most harmonious way as possible. some children are not nice and always break the rules. but some parents as well do the same. where do we draw the line? honesty. if everyone would be just honest enough that they made a mistake, whether it's the parents or the children, mods or the members, then we wouldn't have this long disagreement at all. but then again, arguments are fun to read so there.

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 02:49 AM

i am so not gonna play your game anymore, dear

The Virgin 06-14-2011 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1070163)
i am so not gonna play your game anymore, dear

good. i know you'll come to your senses soon and realize that hate is not a good thing to keep in your heart. i'm glad we're now understanding each other, my dear. hehe

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 02:57 AM

wateva

Janszoon 06-14-2011 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1070136)
I was addressing you as a representative of the mod team. Unfortunately, when one you of you f*cks up, you all get charged with f*cking up by association. Doesn't seem fair, but that's the perception. You guys are a team that make team decisions. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch (generally speaking of course).

Nice back pedal.

djchameleon 06-14-2011 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1070216)
Nice back pedal.

was that necessary to say?

Janszoon 06-14-2011 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1070217)
was that necessary to say?

Yes.

djchameleon 06-14-2011 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1070221)
Yes.

the only reason I ask is because this tends to happen quite often with the mods.

They will bait people by saying things like that and if oojay was smart, he'd just let it go but he's a passionate person so he's most likely going to respond.

It's just like throwing out enough rope for people to hang themselves and specifically people that you know will have a high probability of doing so.

It's almost like entrapment

• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts.

I guess that part of the rule doesn't apply to mods.

crash_override 06-14-2011 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1070235)
the only reason I ask is because this tends to happen quite often with the mods.

They will bait people by saying things like that and if oojay was smart, he'd just let it go but he's a passionate person so he's most likely going to respond.

It's just like throwing out enough rope for people to hang themselves and specifically people that you know will have a high probability of doing so.

It's almost like entrapment

• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts.

I guess that part of the rule doesn't apply to mods.

That does happen quite frequently. I will say that I think it has less to do with being a mod, and more to do with being an experienced poster in a forum setting. Those two just coincidentally go hand-in-hand most of the time.

When you've been around these forums long enough, some people just learn to let people insult themselves, and in turn, let them dig their own grave. The art of subtle provocation.

The Virgin 06-14-2011 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1070235)
the only reason I ask is because this tends to happen quite often with the mods.

They will bait people by saying things like that and if oojay was smart, he'd just let it go but he's a passionate person so he's most likely going to respond.

It's just like throwing out enough rope for people to hang themselves and specifically people that you know will have a high probability of doing so.

It's almost like entrapment

• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts.

I guess that part of the rule doesn't apply to mods.

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 1070239)
That does happen quite frequently. I will say that I think it has less to do with being a mod, and more to do with being an experienced poster in a forum setting. Those two just coincidentally go hand-in-hand most of the time.

When you've been around these forums long enough, some people just learn to let people insult themselves, and in turn, let them dig their own grave. The art of subtle provocation.

:clap:

explained and pointed out as clear as the daylight sun.


Quote:

• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts.
God, everytime someone does a post against me, i should've just replied by qouting this.

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1070235)
the only reason I ask is because this tends to happen quite often with the mods.

They will bait people by saying things like that and if oojay was smart, he'd just let it go but he's a passionate person so he's most likely going to respond.

It's just like throwing out enough rope for people to hang themselves and specifically people that you know will have a high probability of doing so.

It's almost like entrapment

• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts.

I guess that part of the rule doesn't apply to mods.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1070242)
:clap:

explained and pointed out as clear as the daylight sun.

God, everytime someone does a post against me, i should've just replied by qouting this.

whilst infringing the bolded parts he posted, ha ha

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 07:14 AM

i personally think pedo has got it in for me

ever since she's been elected, a lot of my harmless posts have disappeared

and I got an infraction, and it isn't even the first time I (or certain other people) have used fruity language on The Virgin

The Virgin 06-14-2011 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1070260)
i personally think pedo has got it in for me

ever since she's been elected, a lot of my harmless posts have disappeared

and I got an infraction, and it isn't even the first time I (or certain other people) have used fruity language on The Virgin

so you got infracted on your fruity language against me?
serves you right El Duce. justice will always prevail.

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 07:22 AM

ha ha ha good of you to butt in

i'm actually getting a rare insight - i think pedo is secretly a racist and a xenophobe, and is actually keeping The Virgin as a foil to get me banned

then she'll ban The Virgin himself

Janszoon 06-14-2011 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1070235)
the only reason I ask is because this tends to happen quite often with the mods.

They will bait people by saying things like that and if oojay was smart, he'd just let it go but he's a passionate person so he's most likely going to respond.

It's just like throwing out enough rope for people to hang themselves and specifically people that you know will have a high probability of doing so.

It's almost like entrapment

• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts.

I guess that part of the rule doesn't apply to mods.

Entrapment? Oojay accused me of doing something that I hadn't done. Am I not allowed to defend myself? Talk about a double standard, sheesh.

Edit: Also, by your own logic wouldn't the post I'm replying to here also be a violation of the rules?

The Virgin 06-14-2011 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1070263)
ha ha ha good of you to butt in

i'm actually getting a rare insight - i think pedo is secretly a racist and a xenophobe, and is actually keeping The Virgin as a foil to get me banned

then she'll ban The Virgin himself

no amount of reasoning can keep you from the fact that your insults are not appreciated at all.

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1070264)
Entrapment? Oojay accused me of doing something that I hadn't done. Am I not allowed to defend myself? Talk about a double standard, sheesh.

yeah and The Virgin is also using entrapment on me

i refuse to talk to him as I'm not adressing him

The Virgin 06-14-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1070266)
yeah and The Virgin is also using entrapment on me

i refuse to talk to him as I'm not adressing him

El Duce, I only respond to you the moment you quote me or address me in any of your posts, just like this one.
If you try to trace back all conversations that we have, it's always me responding to you, not the other way around.

my understanding of entrapment in the current discussion is when you try to provoke someone into doing anything that is totally against the rules. in fact, between the 2 of us, you're the one who'se doing entrapment of me. posting insults and negative comments against me so i'd lose my patience and do something that against the forum rules.

fortunately for both of us, i've got enough patience to keep up with your hating.

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1070269)
El Duce, I only respond to you the moment you quote me or address me in any of your posts, just like this one.
If you try to trace back all conversations that we have, it's always me responding to you, not the other way around.

my understanding of entrapment in the current discussion is when you try to provoke someone into doing anything that is totally against the rules. in fact, between the 2 of us, you're the one who'se doing entrapment of me. posting insults and negative comments against me so i'd lose my patience and do something that against the forum rules.

fortunately for both of us, i've got enough patience to keep up with your hating.

i finally remember now why you are what you are

praise the Lord for His guidance

The Virgin 06-14-2011 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1070270)
i finally remember now why you are what you are

praise the Lord for His guidance

just in case you did not get to read my response to your pm, here it is:

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This is obvious trolling. I'm not even gonna react.

crash_override 06-14-2011 07:44 AM

You guys are not helping the case to keep this thread open. Please, stop or take it elsewhere, unless you have something to say in regards to the topic. I like this thread.

The Virgin 06-14-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 1070272)
You guys are not helping the case to keep this thread open. Please, stop or take it elsewhere, unless you have something to say in regards to the topic. I like this thread.

i'm sorry. i'm trying my best to stay away from him.
currently, his trolling me on pm. i wish mods can read member's pms and make it part of the decision process when infracting someone.

this will be the last time that i'm going to quote or respond to anything El Duce is posting.

Bye El Duce!

Howard the Duck 06-14-2011 08:19 AM

Older Budweiser.

I love you now, Thee Virgin, I really do.

PS - feel free to delete my post - I just sorted out things with him

[MERIT] 06-14-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1070216)
Nice back pedal.

Do you really want to keep arguing? My response was pretty clear cut, and hardly a backpedal, especially considering that the only other posts that it could possibly backpedal to clearly convey the same idea. As DJC said, you're really just trying to provoke me into telling you off so that you can ban me. If you want a profanity-laced tirade then I suggest that you go watch a Michael Richards routine, because all you're going to evoke out of me is sh*ts and giggles :)


On a aide note, I demand that Il Duce and The Virgin either put each other on ignore, or have a fight to the death.


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