When Someone is Banned

MoonlitSunshine · 05-06-2011, 05:18 AM

Yeah, and that's when the peasants can sit the **** down and stop expecting to have everything they want. If you wanna know why your friend was banned, ask your friend. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, but maintaining the right to ask when "certain" members are banned is equivalent to saying maintaining the right to ask when ANY member is banned, which is equivalent to wanting to know whatever you want about bans and infractions. The fact that you are only wishing to ask about specific members doesn't change that.

djchameleon · 05-06-2011, 05:24 AM

I'm not saying it's our right to know. I'm just saying that it would be a nice thing like a small bread crumb to throw to the peasants, when you are in a leadership position there are things that you can do to make the whole situation run more smoothly if you choose not to do them then that's on you.

Freebase Dali · 05-06-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I'm not saying it's our right to know. I'm just saying that it would be a nice thing like a small bread crumb to throw to the peasants, when you are in a leadership position there are things that you can do to make the whole situation run more smoothly if you choose not to do them then that's on you.

I definitely support transparency to an extent. I don't mind telling you guys anything you want to know about why we make certain decisions. The only things I personally hold back are things that can be exploited by members, to negative ends. Thankfully, there are very few exploits, so if you ask me something regarding modding, it's a very high probability that you will get an honest answer.

TheBig3 · 05-06-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I definitely support transparency to an extent. I don't mind telling you guys anything you want to know about why we make certain decisions. The only things I personally hold back are things that can be exploited by members, to negative ends. Thankfully, there are very few exploits, so if you ask me something regarding modding, it's a very high probability that you will get an honest answer.

With this zoo full of *******s, I'd suggest saying very little.

duga · 05-06-2011, 08:55 AM

What Freebase said.

The only thing we really ask of you guys is that you remember we really take every decision seriously, and it is discussed extensively until a decision is reached. We take into account every concern you guys bring up here. If a mod goes rogue and starts banning with no mod team consultation, we get upset.

Paedantic Basterd · 05-06-2011, 04:12 PM

Personally, I believe it's nobody's business except the moderators' and the banned user's. The user in question may not want this information made public, and I think they have the right to that privacy. If that user makes it clear that they don't mind the release of that information, then I see no problem with sharing it publicly. Until then, I will be selective about what I share. I don't believe in naming-and-shaming.

NSW · 05-06-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Personally, I believe it's nobody's business except the moderators' and the banned user's. The user in question may not want this information made public, and I think they have the right to that privacy. If that user makes it clear that they don't mind the release of that information, then I see no problem with sharing it publicly. Until then, I will be selective about what I share. I don't believe in naming-and-shaming.

This is exactly right. If the banned person chooses to share why they were banned, then so be it. It's improper and indiscreet for the mods to provide this info to the entire forum.

Burning Down · 05-06-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Personally, I believe it's nobody's business except the moderators' and the banned user's. The user in question may not want this information made public, and I think they have the right to that privacy. If that user makes it clear that they don't mind the release of that information, then I see no problem with sharing it publicly. Until then, I will be selective about what I share. I don't believe in naming-and-shaming.

Yes, exactly. If the member in question wants to parade that information around, then so be it. If they would rather it be kept quiet, that's fine. Or if they don't want the info shared on the forums but instead want to discuss the issue with a few select members only, through PM or whatever, then they're ultimately responsible for any details that get out. You can't trust anybody to hold a secret forever.

Freebase Dali · 05-06-2011, 05:21 PM

Realistically, there are usually multiple people who witness the ban-worthy event go down, and it spreads anyway. After all, most folks get banned for something they do in public view of the community. But yea, if it's some kind of private thing, I'd keep it private unless otherwise requested.

I was speaking more about policy and addressing complaints.

**Janszoon** · 05-06-2011, 05:26 PM

I used to be a member on a forum where people were often banned secretly for unknown reasons and no one was allowed to ask about it. As a result I think I have a bit of a different viewpoint than the other mods on this. I'm more than happy to provide reasons for a ban if people want to know, at least in a general sense.

05-06-2011, 05:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
MoonlitSunshine Dat's Der Bunny! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,097	Yeah, and that's when the peasants can sit the ** down and stop expecting to have everything they want. If you wanna know why your friend was banned, ask your friend. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, but maintaining the right to ask when "certain" members are banned is equivalent to saying maintaining the right to ask when ANY member is banned, which is equivalent to wanting to know whatever you want about bans and infractions. The fact that you are only wishing to ask about specific members doesn't change that. __________________ "I found it eventually, at the bottom of a locker in a disused laboratory, with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". Ever thought of going into Advertising?"** - Arthur Dent

05-06-2011, 08:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	What Freebase said. The only thing we really ask of you guys is that you remember we really take every decision seriously, and it is discussed extensively until a decision is reached. We take into account every concern you guys bring up here. If a mod goes rogue and starts banning with no mod team consultation, we get upset. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

05-06-2011, 05:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	I used to be a member on a forum where people were often banned secretly for unknown reasons and no one was allowed to ask about it. As a result I think I have a bit of a different viewpoint than the other mods on this. I'm more than happy to provide reasons for a ban if people want to know, at least in a general sense. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

05-06-2011, 04:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	Personally, I believe it's nobody's business except the moderators' and the banned user's. The user in question may not want this information made public, and I think they have the right to that privacy. If that user makes it clear that they don't mind the release of that information, then I see no problem with sharing it publicly. Until then, I will be selective about what I share. I don't believe in naming-and-shaming.

05-06-2011, 05:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Realistically, there are usually multiple people who witness the ban-worthy event go down, and it spreads anyway. After all, most folks get banned for something they do in public view of the community. But yea, if it's some kind of private thing, I'd keep it private unless otherwise requested. I was speaking more about policy and addressing complaints.