Yeah, it's a forum. Not a democracy. The mods on here are really lenient, so if they ban someone it's for good reason.

I'm signed up to another forum and if Admin has had a bad day and someone pisses him off, he'll ban them. And he says it's my forum, it isn't a democracy. I can do what I want.

Plus I imagine a lot of the newer members that get banned, it'd get boring reading:

Length of time: Permanent.
Reasons: Spam, self promotion.

Who the **** would ever miss that guy? He was very silly, and confrontational. If Conan wasn't such a cool headed guy, he probably would have been banned for the idiocy in the JFK thread.

Unless someone is a threat to the entire community, I don't think the mods should give out too many information. This only gives room for speculation and disunity (is that a word? google says so...).

I myself still don't really get the point of temporary banning. Yeah, some people improve, but I'd rather try untill there's now ay back. I'm not the type to punish and threaten.
But I'm fine with it eitherway. No ban so far. I do see some of my postings being deleted. I would like to ask the mods to send me a PM should I really go too far. Because I'm not good at seeing that myself.

You wouldn't even have to read it, the only time you'd see it would be in their signature and they'd never come back so...


s_k perma bans are a good idea. shush. :finger:

I don't think I've ever deleted one of your posts, but I know I've merged a few of them. Since there's no content lost from merging, I usually don't bother sending a notice when I do, but if you don't notice that the content from a post has been added to the one preceding it, it may look like a post has been deleted.

The reason I merge some of your posts is of course because you tend to double post now and then. I guess you haven't learned the fine art of multi-quoting? :D

Haha, hey, I spoke in favor of your return ;).

I say it'd get boring, but the reasons are probably quite irrelevant and uninteresting.

A lot of the new members either got banned for getting too mouthy or shamelessly self promoting.

Established members who get banned get a thread started about them, where people demand to know why and what happened.

So I think it's quite a pointless idea, but I'm really not bothered either way.

Well for people who sign up and spam there's not really anyone who cares about them. I was just bringing up the idea for established members. Even people with like 100 posts whos posts you've seen. Cause I might see someone banned who I've posted with in the forums and be like WTF did they do. And since their posts are deleted I'd have no idea. And then id feel like an ass making a thread and starting a whole thread about it. Plus I think it kinda holds mods accountable a little bit. Not that I think the modding is bad, but if someone is banned I feel like people should know for what reason. Banned members can't even view posts here and not everyone here exchanges AIMs or whatever so people are just left in the dark.

It's not like established members are banned often, but it happens from time to time.

It's not entirely uncommon for people like RandyMarsh to sign up, people who just don't pick up the general vibe here who are just a bit more rude, confrontational, sarcastic etc. than the average member. They sometimes get up to 100 posts or more before crossing the line and then they get an infraction or a deleted post with a notice telling them why. Then they either say sorry and learn their lesson or, more typically, do something more stupid like insulting the moderator on PM or more openly on the forum (in a post that only exists for a few seconds before it's deleted) which earns them a temp ban. After getting the temp ban, they either wisen up or go even more crazy like RandyMarsh did and turn their temp into a perm.

@ Dirty
Yea and what he's saying is that when it happens, it's generally discussed and well known about. So no worries bud.

I don't know why anyone would really care why some random person they've seen posting on an internet forum a few times has been banned. If the person is important enough, they'd get a thread. Hell, even Dirty got a thread when he was banned.
I trust the mods enough to ban fucking idiots and/or spammers without having to know exactly what they did.

hahahahahahahaha

Lol..over and over Dirty's name keeps getting put out there...Dirty your the...
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/v...s-harrison.jpg of Music Banter

Can we get a notice somewhere of what date Boo Boo will be allowed to return? I'd like to build fortifications and invest in a flamethrower in preparation.

Sure, in 211 Days and 8 Hours. Based on that, you might be able to make your own counter if you want.

I'm not that bored :P

i try to toe the line

You have to put it in perspective, they are volunteers - it's not a high paying job where they required to have a B.S. in Jurisprudence.

I don't know when you incurred your infraction, but I guess it came after the time were some members were complaining about the sight, and the mods promise to dish out infractions, and they were handed out across the board (I'm guessing), and many once great poster were slashed, like "Captain Cavemen," and you weren't single out, so the infraction isn't a referendum on you personally. I hadn't had a problem with anyone who was banned here, (except for one) and imo their behavior was pretty much innocuous, but then again didn't see everything they wrote. I see the problem more of other posters griping and complaining and it's so much "unchecked mod power" but "mob rule" where ride someone out on a rail like "CoreyAllen2000." In conclusion, in defense of the mods they are only acting on the request of mob rule.

You win points for using the word "jurisprudence".

But to your post, (I may not be 100% correct about this) I believe the infraction Brennan (TheBig3) is speaking of was given to him recently, as a joke, for reasons of "not posting enough". The joke, I assume, was meant to playfully tell him he should post more because the infractor enjoys his posts.
Again, I'm only assuming that's what Brennan is referring to, but I can understand how it could upset someone if either it was misinterpreted, or the methods themselves were unappreciated.

He's online all the time, so he's probably reading this.......planning his revenge.

yeah, no this is accurate. I'll explain myself but I'm almost certain I'm going to be seen as someone who's taking this too seriously.

I'm sure the infraction was meant as a light-hearted jab. I don't think Conan was trying to be malicious but the fact that its permanent rubs a raw nerve. From my perspective I bust my ass for this place, or at least I have over the course of my patronage. I can't tell you how much I'm out somewhere and I think "Oh man, i've gotta tell MB about this." or "I'll bet [poster X] would really enjoy this." Maybe thats sad, but I came here looking for people more engaged in music than any of the friends I knew, and I've stayed because I found it.

I'm easily put off. Its a flaw, I'll grant you, so rather than flip out, sometimes I just "take a walk" as it were. Lately I don't seem to be gaining traction with any of the posts I make, add to this the perception that what I do see being talked about tends to be flippant, sophomoric idiocy. I was less than thrilled since I will delete 5 posts before actually posting one. In other words, I try.

I take off rather than go ballistic in the shoutbox and what do I come back to? A ****ing irremovable infraction for not playing in these Dionysian reindeer games. I got a PM about it and I thought he'd just written it up to be funny. I laughed. Then I found out I've now been thrown in with the sort of class that can't handle their business on this site. To me, its something of a slap because I've been a poster here for a considerable time, I spent a number of years modding, and now I've got this. Its like MB herpes, and its not going away.

I had a friend of mine who was an Iraqi studying here say to me "you know, the war isn't a wound, its a jab. It just so happens to be a jab in an old wound, and so it appears to hurt less than it does." Is my issue with Conan or the infraction? No. My issue is when I see a site that I've invested myself in go off to Shenanigan-Land despite my best efforts, I feel ineffective and a worry about the sustained existence of the boards. I do my best not to meddle with the existing Mod team. There are plenty of times they do something and I think "WTF were they thinking?." To be fair, i'm sure they've said the same of some of my decisions. But this one struck the wrong chord with me, and I don't expect Conan to know where I'm coming from 9 out of 10 times; You're read my posts, I'm pretty sure no one knows where I'm coming from. But it is what it is, and thats how I'm coming at this.

And while I'd love to rip into Neopolitician, I think he/she/it just misread the tea leaves. No harm, no foul. I'm gunna go post youtube videos until my fingers bleed.

Oh well, you're not the only one with MB herpes, Brennan. Every time I click User CP, I see my expired 10 point infraction with the message "work on your thesis! Do it!". Of course it's my fault. I asked Yac for a temp ban .. But I didn't ask him to use 10 infraction points method to do it. :p:

I'm forever tainted.

Surprisingly, I don't seem to have any infractions at all...I coulda sworn I had at least one.

I'm glad you're my herpes brother.

Hey Big3,

I'm so sorry I crossed the line with this one. It was meant to be a lighthearted jab, because I do enjoy your posts and I think I was giving you a hard time for not posting in 3 days (kind of like.. WHAT HAPPENED MAN? You get a life or something? Pffft.) I was pretty excited about the modship and I probably went a little overboard - I don't know. Maybe I just thought with you being a former mod and all you wouldn't think it to be a big deal since it obviously means nothing - no kind of serious warning or anything like that.. just a playful gesture. But I admit I did cross the line. And I was almost sure infractions could be removed. I actually thought I removed it... but I guess it's still showing up? I'm ready to do whatever I can to resolve this.

Well you can blow me?

Thats a joke. I'm fine. I feel better now that I've explained myself. And don't take it too hard. My herpes brother, Tore, almost strangled me with my own shoe strings because I deleted his journal once. No ones perfect.

I'm pretty sure I tried to infract you for that but I couldn't since you were a mod :p:

No one is perfect, and certainly not me!

OK never mind what I've said because evidently it didn't apply to your situation. In a way I was trying to empathize what happen to you, I wasn't diminishing it in anyway. I don't know what you mean by MB going off in "Shenanigan-Land" but I've was always puzzled by MB, like where it is at. There are different kind of complaining, for instance you have legitimate issues, and I know I mention "mob rule" people complaining but it wasn't directed at you. It had to do more the way I see certain new members treated. And as far as people complaining that had nothing to do with you, but certain other posters that I've seen complain or take up issues with other posters.

Your avatar is creepy as ****. I think I shall have to take issue with this and complain.

This might have been the nicest exchange we've had. Hello, friend.

It sorta looks like Lawrence O'Donnell, no? Maybe thats why its pissing you off.

No idea who that is. Whats creepy about is the combination derp/rapeface. The fact its a picture of LES ****ING PAUL only makes it worse.

I'll be your herpes sister, I got a joke infraction from Urban for not posting my own boobs in a thread instead of someone else's.

That Urban's a wildcard. I always expected an infraction to be given out to folks who denied the divinity of Mark E. Smith.

See? I TOLD you Neapolitan is great, Big3! :)

About posting information on bannings: I know sometimes I've wanted to find out why people have been banned, mostly to see if I felt the moderators were behaving fairly. Sometimes, though, I've just wanted to know out of plain curiosity, especially if the person was someone I liked who suddenly disappeared!

I'm glad Tore is willing to offer explanations in private, yet I understand moderators won't want to compromise members' privacy. Sometimes members *want* to be banned for their own private reasons, so moderators have to use their judgement when deciding what, if anything, to reveal about the circumstances.

What I especially like about MB is that members are so able to raise issues, complaints, and suggestions, even about how moderation itself is handled (such as in this thread), and we almost always get a courteous response from moderators.

A feel a great moderator is one who can handle criticism graciously without lashing back...which can be tough to do, but is a good goal. I love it when people are able to have a good discussion about some issue (like Big3 and Conan did here), apologize for things said or done that they recognize were in error, and then move on.

For example, Conan, I admire you greatly for the apology you made to Big3. You are young but mighty, Conan: :bowdown:

I was acting on behalf of complaints.
Mostly my own.

I don't want plebs listening to my favourite band.

Woah.

If this thread were on MF, the initiator would have been banned, anyone who posted in it would have been banned, and the mods would have laid a big guilt trip down about how dedicated they are to the site, and how it's no one elese's ****ing business to even be curious about why their favorite member was banned, or to even talk about it.

How mature of you all to actually have an actual discussion about it.

Impressed.

In that case MF just sucks :D.
But I should admit that I've been to a lot of forums in my life and there's not quite one like this.

That's why I like it here :)

There's more reasons, you'll see :).