someonecompletelyrandom

I'd like to have said that. But everyone seems to be desperate for information regarding his banning. Giving them any insight at all was a mistake I see, and unless we as a group decide to make bannings public, I personally won't be sharing any information regarding bannings in the future. The problem is Dirty was banned for several reasons and every mod seems to have shared a different detail, crafting a rather obscure picture that you wouldn't comprehend unless you were in the Mod Cave when it transpired.

I'm not angry at anyone who PM'd me and asked why Dirty was banned. From now on however, don't ask me about any bannings. All you'll get is the principle they broke and nothing else.

Urban Hat€monger ?

I agree with everything you've said here. That's why I have always been against it when people want the reasons for bannings listed, it's never always that clear cut.

For some reason a lot of members don't seem to understand it can be for an accumulation of things rather than the last thing to happen, so then you get all these tedious posts going whaa whaa whaa so & so does this & wasn't banned, whaa whaa whaa I suppose you're going to ban everybody who says that now whaa whaa whaa you're being power mad because you don't like him whaa whaa whaa so on & so on.

Nobody needs to go into detail, he acted like a prick & got banned. That's all that anybody needs to know.

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someonecompletelyrandom

I think this is the most important thing people need to realize. In addition, infractions and warnings are private. If a member has multiple previous infractions for doing the same thing, I'm going to ban him if he does it again. Regular members just don't see that process.

Paedantic Basterd

The amount of restraint we exercise in dealing with regular members who violate the rules is remarkable. We let so many users who display poor behaviour slide time and time again, and perhaps that's the problem. We're too lenient, so regulars think this is acceptable, and are shocked when we finally do something to counteract the rule-breaking.

It's not acceptable. We will only forgive so much repeated behaviour.

Urban Hat€monger ?

One of the things I learned as a mod quickly is to keep my mouth shut when something like this happens until the person that did the banning has spoken because if you speculate as to why and you're wrong the people on this forum will see it as weakness & try & rip you apart because of it.

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I don't see leniency as the problem, so much as a lack of continuity, which is inherant, as different people have different interpretations of what is acceptable and what is not.

Speaking as a member, I think that members just want some overall peace of mind. They want to know why their friends got banned, because they feel that it personally affects them.

I doubt that the goal is to rip a mod to pieces, but rather to assure themselves that it was a just decision. When the issue gets ignored or left to speculation, it seems to set off alarm bells and make it appear like the situation has alot more going on behind the scenes than it actually does.

Paedantic Basterd

It's difficult to obtain any continuity without setting ourselves extremely strict guidelines for offenders and posing ourselves a list of cut and dry questions for every decision we make. Coming to a consensus on what those personal guidelines should consist of is in and of itself impossible with a staff of what, 10 entirely different people? Ultimately, it would mean much less wiggle room in situations, and a lot more restrictions for everyone, which is not what I believe is wanted.

Dr_Rez

Dont lie, your a loudmouth whos always starting ****. Probably the most disagreeable person on the internet. Or maybe Im still just sour from my infraction all those years ago.

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someonecompletelyrandom

Careful now, he may not be a mod anymore but he can still infract you in real life.

Urban Hat€monger ?

How would you know this anyway?

You have no knowledge of that persons history, you don't know how many friendly reminders, infractions or final warnings that person has been given beforehand.

Say someone has had lots of these in the past and is on a final warning and then they do something. A mod might say what the last thing they did before they were banned was or look at the fuller picture & say why they were in that position in the first place. 2 different reasons for the same ban and both legitimate. It's not a case of lack of continuity, it's a case of several factors adding up to the same result.

It's both

You C*nt

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