Member's Journal, mods won't help.

Powerstars · 10-20-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

First of all, I'm highly surprised that this hasn't been openly addressed sooner by another moderator. For that, I apologize profusely on behalf of the team. Secondly, regarding myself, I've been a bit MIA the past couple of days since I've been quite busy with more important matters at home. I hope you can understand.

Pedestrian basically stated what I was going to say -

It's true that journal posts from regular contributors don't often get read all the way through. I often just skim over them. Since journal content is controlled by the member who owns that journal, it's almost impossible for moderators to spot discrepancies or errors in the posts, simply because we think whatever you put in there is what you want!

I highly suggest that instead of putting a message to the mods through the journal, that you send us a private message. You can then be sure that it will be seen and a mod can edit or delete your post appropriately. I think that members should AT LEAST be able to edit their own journal posts. That's an administrator function that needs to be activated though and since getting the admins to approve things like this is like pulling teeth, I'm often discouraged from submitting the request because I can be 90% sure of how it will be addressed.

I will take a look at your posts now that I have a few minutes to do so, and I'll fix them as per your wishes.

Right, it's not democratic. It's an oligarchy, or maybe a meritocracy. Members submit either their own applications or nominate other members whom they think are fit for the job, and most pick the best candidates from that group. Power is put solely into the hands of a smaller group of people. Personally, I don't have a problem turning this place into a democracy of sorts.

As for the post approval issues, aren't we really beating a dead horse with this one? Every time somebody has an issue with their journal or whatever, the issue gets brought up and addressed, time and again. Lately I have been very good at checking the queue once daily, so at the very least that means posts are getting approved once every 24 hours. I even do it at work when I'm not supposed to even be on here, or in class too. I sometimes get the impression that it's hard to keep you guys happy, and I don't want anyone to feel that way.

Thanks man!

Trollheart · 10-20-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerstars

Thanks man!

That's a lady yer talking to, young feller!

Key · 10-20-2013, 10:21 PM

I never have seen issues with the journals to be honest. Sure, there was that little bit where it took a while, but honestly, they could just not approve them at all. They take the time to make sure we're happy, and honestly, if you need to edit a post, I believe you have the power to edit it yourself. If you can't do that, I don't see how it's a mod issue.

Neapolitan · 10-20-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I've been led to believe that this is a democratic forum, therefore I propose a referendum for whether Trollheart should be a 'journal mod' or not.

I wouldn't mind him having him as a "journal mod."

When one submits a journal one is often disappointed it does not appear the next day or even the next, next day.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 10-20-2013, 11:12 PM

if possible just make trollheart a mod and let him mess with the journals

he does a lot of work there and would make it better for everyone

Key · 10-20-2013, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

if possible just make trollheart a mod and let him mess with the journals

he does a lot of work there and would make it better for everyone

It surprises me that he hasn't been made one already. No disrespect or anything, but the guy brings in some of the best commentary and content on this forum.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 10-21-2013, 12:01 AM

I want my darling Trollheart to be mod, I've been trying to achieve it but it's down to the mod team to decide. I definitely agree that he would do a great job and make sure the journals are approved quickly.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 10-21-2013, 12:43 AM

why would anyone even vote against it lol he gives more substance than pretty much anyone and half teh mods arent even active anymore. urban and duga come to mind and i havent seen jnzoon lately. not sure i ever saw sawtchmo even post lol. not hatin on them, just sayin theres a lot of ppl who check in everyday and trollheart is one of those dudes. i dunno, he loves the journal section so mods should just give him the keys to it if able

**Janszoon** · 10-21-2013, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

why would anyone even vote against it lol he gives more substance than pretty much anyone and half teh mods arent even active anymore. urban and duga come to mind and i havent seen jnzoon lately. not sure i ever saw sawtchmo even post lol. not hatin on them, just sayin theres a lot of ppl who check in everyday and trollheart is one of those dudes. i dunno, he loves the journal section so mods should just give him the keys to it if able

You haven't seen me because I was out of the country on vacation. I'm back now.

Trollheart · 10-21-2013, 05:22 AM

(Trollheart lets the maintenance guys in to widen all the doors in his house to accomodate his swelled head)

Thanks guys. That really means a lot. Thank you for your support. Not sure if it'll mean anything, which kind of confuses me. I'm offering to take a burden off the "real" mods here, and yet nobody seems to be considering it, other than my darling Vanilla

Don't get it: is it that hard a thing to do? As 216 says, has anyone any objections to it? Do they fear I'll do a Wikileaks, expose all their dirty laundry to the public then leg it to Russia? Oops! I've said too much...

Seriously though. Ki, the point is that they don't NOT approve the posts. I always thought it was a case of them sitting down, reading or skimming through the entries to decide if there was anything there that shouldn't be, which is why some of my more "colourful" posts, when they were delayed, raised concerns within myself that they might not be passed, and why I accepted sometimes large delays particularly if I had submitted a long or complicated entry. But from what we've been told, that's not how it's done. It seems to be just a check list, hit the button and go.

Now with the greatest of respect to our mods, how hard can that be? Seems to me it's almost like checking your mail or a list of downloading files, or whatever, something you could do quite quickly, not something you need time to set aside to concentrate on. So at the extreme end of the scale, yes, they could refuse to approve anything but what would be the point of that? There'd be no journals. And let's be honest, at the moment, that's part of the job they've accepted, so there would be no reason for such refusal. With respect, Ki, that's like saying well we should appreciate a band playing for free even if they play crap, as we didn't have to pay to see them. It's not the case: if you've committed to do something, then you should do it, and there should not be any real sense of "be happy we're doing this cos we don't have to". Note: this is NOT directed at the mods, as I know nobody has said this. It's purely in answer to Ki's somewhat weak in my opinion "defence" of the delays, something I do not in any way agree with.

I'd still like to hear from anyone who has a real problem with this proposal. It seems to me like it could solve this issue once and for all.

Vote for Trollheart! Vote early, vote often! Vote for REAL change! Vote to shut me up and get me off your backs!

10-21-2013, 12:01 AM	#27 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	I want my darling Trollheart to be mod, I've been trying to achieve it but it's down to the mod team to decide. I definitely agree that he would do a great job and make sure the journals are approved quickly. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

10-21-2013, 05:22 AM	#30 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	(Trollheart lets the maintenance guys in to widen all the doors in his house to accomodate his swelled head) Thanks guys. That really means a lot. Thank you for your support. Not sure if it'll mean anything, which kind of confuses me. I'm offering to take a burden off the "real" mods here, and yet nobody seems to be considering it, other than my darling Vanilla Don't get it: is it that hard a thing to do? As 216 says, has anyone any objections to it? Do they fear I'll do a Wikileaks, expose all their dirty laundry to the public then leg it to Russia? Oops! I've said too much... Seriously though. Ki, the point is that they don't NOT approve the posts. I always thought it was a case of them sitting down, reading or skimming through the entries to decide if there was anything there that shouldn't be, which is why some of my more "colourful" posts, when they were delayed, raised concerns within myself that they might not be passed, and why I accepted sometimes large delays particularly if I had submitted a long or complicated entry. But from what we've been told, that's not how it's done. It seems to be just a check list, hit the button and go. Now with the greatest of respect to our mods, how hard can that be? Seems to me it's almost like checking your mail or a list of downloading files, or whatever, something you could do quite quickly, not something you need time to set aside to concentrate on. So at the extreme end of the scale, yes, they could refuse to approve anything but what would be the point of that? There'd be no journals. And let's be honest, at the moment, that's part of the job they've accepted, so there would be no reason for such refusal. With respect, Ki, that's like saying well we should appreciate a band playing for free even if they play crap, as we didn't have to pay to see them. It's not the case: if you've committed to do something, then you should do it, and there should not be any real sense of "be happy we're doing this cos we don't have to". Note: this is NOT directed at the mods, as I know nobody has said this. It's purely in answer to Ki's somewhat weak in my opinion "defence" of the delays, something I do not in any way agree with. I'd still like to hear from anyone who has a real problem with this proposal. It seems to me like it could solve this issue once and for all. Vote for Trollheart! Vote early, vote often! Vote for REAL change! Vote to shut me up and get me off your backs! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

10-20-2013, 10:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	I never have seen issues with the journals to be honest. Sure, there was that little bit where it took a while, but honestly, they could just not approve them at all. They take the time to make sure we're happy, and honestly, if you need to edit a post, I believe you have the power to edit it yourself. If you can't do that, I don't see how it's a mod issue.

10-20-2013, 11:12 PM	#25 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	if possible just make trollheart a mod and let him mess with the journals he does a lot of work there and would make it better for everyone

10-21-2013, 12:43 AM	#28 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	why would anyone even vote against it lol he gives more substance than pretty much anyone and half teh mods arent even active anymore. urban and duga come to mind and i havent seen jnzoon lately. not sure i ever saw sawtchmo even post lol. not hatin on them, just sayin theres a lot of ppl who check in everyday and trollheart is one of those dudes. i dunno, he loves the journal section so mods should just give him the keys to it if able