Carpe Mortem

I would like to offer myself as a candidate for modship. I don't make waves, I don't judge, and I am a woman of the people.

I'm also hot.

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Freebase Dali

Price of admission is racy pics of you in the mod cave. You know, for leadership stuff.

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Key

So since it seems that tore is gonna push this until it gets through, I'll just be active in my journal. I would hate to break any rules.

The Batlord

Done. Check your PMs in the next couple days.

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Neapolitan

Same here, but plugging with Goofle and the rest of the plug.DJ gang.

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Frownland

Heh. 'But plugging'

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

The Batlord

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Soulflower

My opinion is based on what other members have said who have gotten infractions and who have shown me (and no I will not disclose who they are or the reasons) but apparently there were no justifiable reasons for the infraction.

In addition, it is also based on a infraction that I recently got by a moderator and I am still confused with why I got it.

The particular moderator does not like me (which is fine) but they have some deep seeded issue with me to the point that they go out of their to disrespect me, lie on me and now this infraction.


I don't really think the location of disrespectful remarks made by moderators matters to be honest. Regardless, some members of the mod team have been disrespectful to members here, PERIOD.

I don't think I need to show examples here of that because this issue has been talked about before. The point is, its a problem and it should not be tolerated from a moderator.

It is one thing to criticize but its another to personally attack someone. It just doesn't sit well with me that there are moderators who are giving out infractions for the very thing they do themselves (thats a problem) which is why I strongly believe there should be all new moderators besides maybe one person.

Lastly (and this is not directed toward you free base but more so just an observation I have noticed throughout this thread)


There are other members who feel there should be more new moderators too and just because there not expressing it in this thread doesn't mean other members don't feel the same way.

All the opinions in this thread are exclusive and do not represent how the overall forum feels about this issue and I think its naive to believe otherwise.

Is it realistically fair to accept the opinions of what 8 members have to say on a issue that should involve the other thousands of members that make up the board?

You guys don't like to acknowledge that the board is cliquish but this very thread proves just that!

Is it any wonder no other non clique member never wants to say anything or express their opinion on these topics? I don't blame them they probably feel they will just get bashed!



I always get a number of PM's every time there is a thread like this that gets started in this section by people who agree with the points I make but don't care to participate in the discussions or voice that they agree with me because they dont want to deal with the bickering and bashing and quite frankly I don't blame them!

A lot of people are intimidated by a lot of you here but I am not. I think its sad the niche of this forum wants to bully other people a way and different ideas.

Guybrush

I think the possibility of discussing the moral integrity of our moderators is important, but I'm thinking it might be better to take that up in its own thread.


I'm not running things around here so all I can do is discuss. A lot of the counter arguments made so far rely on misinterpretations and false assumptions. As such, few of them have really been convincing. Hence, I still feel that I have a convincing argument to be made.

When I think the guys in charge have understood my arguments, but are still not convinced, that's when it's time to stop pushing.

And yes, I expect resistance to be dirty and full of cheap tricks. In my experience, you generally need to patiently discuss something like this for a good while until people tire of trying to troll you into submission or silence. Then you can have a serious discussion.


I could participate in off-topic discussion and try to derail the thread. I could try and make a mockery of my opponents, perhaps with witty sarcasm. I could purposely misunderstand my opponents arguments in an attempt to wear them down. I could exaggerate and misinterpret everything in the most awful way possible to make points seem worse than they are.

I can do all these things and more, but try to do none of them because I think this important topic deserves more respect than that and so generally do the people who are discussing it. I wish others would extend the same courtesy.

The reason I responded to you was because the thread was finally back on track when you made your post.


I think the very decision to try implementing a more consistent system for rule enforcement is an important selling point to make ex-mods come back. For myself, I wouldn't want to moderate this site the way it's currently run. If I were to come back and help with this, I would require some dedication to the proposed game plan.

Besides, the reason I suggested bolstering the mod team is because implementation and future work of it requires work. If implementation didn't happen, there probably wouldn't be the same need for new mods.


Nobody wants that. When implementing this, efforts should be made to cooperate with the rest of the community.

As a measure to protect the community, I might suggest that a particular moderator could hold position as an "HR Mod" (You know, human relations person, like you might have at work). This person would follow a code of silence and if anyone wanted to anonymously complain about a specific moderator for example, they could take it up with this person.

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Guybrush

Another compromise which could make implementation gentler could be, as others have suggested, to allow for a more relaxed tone in the lounge. Rule breaking should be consistently punished with infractions, but the rules could be written so that they are different in different parts of the site.

When threads get derailed outside of the lounge, those posts could be moved to lounge threads and then the derailment could commence there (as is pretty much practice today).

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