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View Poll Results: Are you in favour of a new policy for rule enforcement? (not anonymous)
Yes 13 36.11%
No 20 55.56%
Don't know 3 8.33%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-06-2015, 09:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Whatever they decide to do you should never be allowed to moderate a forum, I've seen you mutilate a forum before and i know that several other MB members witnessed it too. You banned any member that didn't agree with you, you couldn't handle any level of ironic banter. That forum probably isn't there anymore, and it was mainly down to you.

This place will go down the same route as many other decent forums if you're given moderator powers, fortunately the powers that be on this forum appear to have seen through you, or they know of your destructive and attention seeking past.
It's a little ironic that you haven't posted for god knows how long, and now out you come to attack a member who has not expressed an interest in being a mod, to run out a hypothetical situation that does nobody any good and only leaves you standing in a very bad light, with no doubt a lot of people thinking "Who the **** are you"??

Personal attacks have no place in this thread, nor indeed in this forum.
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Old 06-06-2015, 09:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Alright, that's enough of this. Wake me up when either A) You people have figured this out or B) The forum is on fire and I should find my jacket before it burns.

I'll be with Batlord in the room where nobody gives a sh*t anymore. This thread is the most ironic thing I've ever seen on this forum.
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Old 06-06-2015, 09:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Alright, that's enough of this. Wake me up when either A) You people have figured this out or B) The forum is on fire and I should find my jacket before it burns.

I'll be with Batlord in the room where nobody gives a sh*t anymore. This thread is the most ironic thing I've ever seen on this forum.
Um, you don't mean that jacket I found when you got up to go to the bathroom, do you? I thought it fitted me quite well...
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Old 06-06-2015, 10:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Tore, I like how you created a topic heading for the items up for vote, and I like Freebase's ideas on trying to clarify and distinguish among the various options that could be put up for vote.

I recommend using a number and a letter for each item to make the potential new poll a little less confusing. Example:
Mod team

1A. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods.

1B. The mod team should NOT be bolstered with additional mods.

1C. The current mod team should be retained.

1D. Some or all of the current moderators should be replaced.
(I would add "1C" and "1D" to give those members who have the opinion that some or all of the current mod team should be replaced a chance to voice it officially, since it has been suggested.)

Freebase suggested this option: "The mod team should be bolstered with whoever most people like, irrelevant of personality or temper."

Freebase, does this ^ suggest that a new mod would be picked based on popular vote, rather than moderators selecting among willing candidates?

I think that it would be good to offer a counter option for mod selection, too, such as: "The mod team should be bolstered with new moderators based on personality and temper rather than popularity."

If anyone actually reads through and gets to the end of this proposed long and more detailed poll, I will be really impressed!
(EDIT: Especially if that person is right-track. )
I was actually thinking about just cutting out the options on bolstering the mod team. I thought whether or not the team needs bolstering will basically be determined on whether or not the current mod team can cope with the projected future workload rather than answers in this poll.

Whatcha think?

By the way, great idea about also adding letters to the poll options
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I'm glad Tore drummed up the interest he did. Which is simultaneously off-putting, because you would think that if most people were feeling so strongly about the issue, we might have gotten notice before then. But since his post seems to have given others the confidence to say what they couldn't say on their own before, then let them speak.

But let them speak precisely.

You do this with multiple choice, not a package. This is not about Tore, it's about how to best represent the community Tore is trying to advocate for. If he is truly out there for the community, then he will agree, and I suspect he will, because I suspect he is.

We could make the poll for him that includes the ability for each of Tore's proposed items to be selected individually, but since it was his proposal I think it best that we let him decide to do that or not. And his decision will say everything. And your decisions as a community if he decides to itemize rule changes as votes, will say even more.

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And with that, I'm out. I don't think there's anything further that needs to be said on the matter.
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I'm glad Tore drummed up the interest he did. Which is simultaneously off-putting, because you would think that if most people were feeling so strongly about the issue, we might have gotten notice before then. But since his post seems to have given others the confidence to say what they couldn't say on their own before, then let them speak.

But let them speak precisely.

You do this with multiple choice, not a package. This is not about Tore, it's about how to best represent the community Tore is trying to advocate for. If he is truly out there for the community, then he will agree, and I suspect he will, because I suspect he is.

We could make the poll for him that includes the ability for each of Tore's proposed items to be selected individually, but since it was his proposal I think it best that we let him decide to do that or not. And his decision will say everything. And your decisions as a community if he decides to itemize rule changes as votes, will say even more.

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And with that, I'm out. I don't think there's anything further that needs to be said on the matter.

I am not disagreeing with this... but I don't think its right to imply he did not try to get feedback from members regarding what THEY wanted to see implemented prior to the creation of the poll when he did.
 
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I'm wondering why the new non-loaded thread title was sent to a mod who's offline rather than just posting it in this thread so that the first mod available can do it. Seems rather strategic.
LoathsomePete was actually online when I sent the PM, something I did about 10~12 votes in not long after my post saying I would stop posting. It wasn't strategy, but I don't mind the compliment

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But since his post seems to have given others the confidence to say what they couldn't say on their own before, then let them speak.

But let them speak precisely.

You do this with multiple choice, not a package. This is not about Tore, it's about how to best represent the community Tore is trying to advocate for. If he is truly out there for the community, then he will agree, and I suspect he will, because I suspect he is.

We could make the poll for him that includes the ability for each of Tore's proposed items to be selected individually, but since it was his proposal I think it best that we let him decide to do that or not. And his decision will say everything. And your decisions as a community if he decides to itemize rule changes as votes, will say even more.

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And with that, I'm out. I don't think there's anything further that needs to be said on the matter.
This is a good suggestion

I definitely can see your point and wish I had thought of it myself. Perhaps a new poll could run alongside this or we chould shut this one down. On the choices for a new poll, I would like your input. How about something like this?

Poll : Which of these statements do you agree with? (not anonymous)

Options (multiple choice) :
  1. This site runs fine as it is (not in favour of any change)
  2. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods
  3. The rules should be revised
  4. When enforcing rules, mods should strive to treat all members equally
  5. Moderators should strive to react (with warning or punishment) whenever rules are broken
  6. For punishment, moderators should use the in-built infractions system
  7. The Lounge forum (not its subforums) should be exempt from a new moderation policy
  8. Any new moderation policy should have a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months)

Duration : 2 weeks

Here they just vote for things they agree with. I could add counter-options to every option, but it would become a crazy ass long poll and we can sorta figure out from the answers what the voters don't want. Also, they could elaborate in the thread with a post.

What do you think?
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This is a good suggestion

I definitely can see your point and wish I had thought of it myself. Perhaps a new poll could run alongside this or we chould shut this one down. On the choices for a new poll, I would like your input. How about something like this?

Poll : Which of these statements do you agree with? (not anonymous)

Options (multiple choice) :
  1. This site runs fine as it is (not in favour of any change)
  2. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods
  3. The rules should be revised
  4. When enforcing rules, mods should strive to treat all members equally
  5. Moderators should strive to react (with warning or punishment) whenever rules are broken
  6. For punishment, moderators should use the in-built infractions system
  7. The Lounge forum (not its subforums) should be exempt from a new moderation policy
  8. Any new moderation policy should have a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months)

Duration : 2 weeks

Here they just vote for things they agree with. I could add counter-options to every option, but it would become a crazy ass long poll and we can sorta figure out from the answers what the voters don't want. Also, they could elaborate in the thread with a post.

What do you think?
I agree that creating a new, multiple choice poll is a very good idea. I also agree that it should have a 2 week time limit and that any new moderation policy should have a trial run first.

I recommend keeping the current, simpler poll open for a total of 2 weeks, since it provides *some* data on what the community, including mods, feels.

I have three suggestions about a multiple choice poll format:

(1) I recommend that the multiple choice poll give people a chance to vote either YES or NO on each suggestion. While this does make a longer poll, it also makes understanding the results much easier and faster.

For example, let's say 100 people in total vote in the poll, but we get only 20 votes for "the mod team should be bolstered with additional mods."

Does that mean the other 80 oppose having more mods, or don't really feel it is necessary but don't really care one way or the other?

By providing the NO option, this allows us to tell how many people feel strongly that the suggested change is bad. If only 10 people vote NO, then presumably (of the people who care), the vote would be 20 YES : 10 NO, and so the conclusion would be that having additional mods would be a change that could be made without bothering a majority of the voters.

ALTERNATIVELY, you could explain that each measure would need votes from more than half the voters to be considered as a change to be made at Musicbanter (assuming we want a simple majority to be necessary for a measure to pass).

(2) I would very explicity ask people to post in the new poll's thread to elaborate on their opinions about each proposal and to suggest any additional changes they might want to see at Musicbanter.

One option in particular ("3. The rules should be revised") could be worded to ask voters to expain how they want the rules to be revised if they vote Yes. For example, the option could state: "The rules should be revised [Please post your suggested rule changes in the thread]."

(3) I recommend that the fourth option read, "4. When enforcing rules, mods should strive to treat all members, including moderators, equally" to emphasize that moderators are not exempt from the rules.

I also feel it would be good, in the new poll's original post, for information to be given about how the built-in infractions system works, so you would probably want to link to your thread that explains it.

Thank you for continuing to work on this, Tore, and a thanks to all the members/mods who are sharing their opinions because they care about the Musicbanter community.
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I'm going to, insofar as I can and certainly with respect to these suggestions, refrain from posting/replying here, as I feel my posts will just be seen (rightly or wrongly) as a "my system is better than yours" sort of idea, which I do not want to happen. If I disagree with or comment on anything here it's inevitably going to include "in my system this happens..." so best I don't respond. This does not mean I'm not watching and reading, and if anyone asks me something directly or posts something slightly off-topic but still relevant, I will probably post. But for now, think of me as a sort of ghost haunting this thread. Anything I have to say will be posted in my own thread.
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