New Policy for Rule Enforcement

~~Soulflower~~ · 06-02-2015, 08:48 PM

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YorkeDaddy · 06-02-2015, 08:48 PM

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The consensus that was gathered from the discussion was that some members did not want rules and infractions which is why the poll is either YES or NO for rules and infractions.

Yeah totally, this is exactly what's happening

~~Soulflower~~ · 06-02-2015, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

It's not about winning. It's about doing what makes the best difference for all, not just you and your own priorities. I think most of us are reasonable and would love change for the better, but we need to make sure it's change that we all, as a community majority, agree with. If that's something that threatens your perspective as a member of it, then it's unfortunate to say that perhaps you are not in a position to be giving advice for what's best for the rest of us.

You sound late in this discussion lol because most of the members that voted for NO made it clear earlier that they did not want to enforce rules and infractions. They were not open to the idea at all and wanted to keep the current mod team.

They and I quote "like the current culture" of this forum which TO ME is not fair to other members who want to see changes in moderation and how the forum is run.

They DON'T want change and they made it very clear IMO when we talked about it in depth along with Tore and other members who insisted they did not want to enforce rules or infractions.

If this is how YOU feel than that is fine..... but this was definitely not the view point of most of the members that voted NO. Because they made their perspectives clear when it was discussed with Tore before the poll was even created.

fiddler · 06-02-2015, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

I notice you are kinda new to this discussion.

The reason why the poll was created was because there was a prior discussion between members and Tore about some possible new rule implementations that he suggested and most of the members did not like it while some agreed with his idea.

Most of the members were insisting that they did not want rules or infractions and enjoyed the current culture of the forum.

And IMO Tore created the poll as a result of the discussions and suggestions that were discussed.

So I don't think its fair to blame the creation of the poll strictly on "what Tore wanted" when he actually talked to multiple members (for feedback) before doing it.

The consensus that was gathered from the discussion was that some members did not want rules and infractions which is why the poll is either YES or NO for rules and infractions.

Why do you come into every single thread and make it out that someone is bashing someone else? We're having a discussion which effects everyone in the community. Nobody has bashed tore for his idea, but have commented on the effectiveness of the poll itself. (And to be fair I voted before I actually read the entirety of the OP and regret voting the way I did.)

The others who have posted have brought up fair points. It shouldn't be a package deal you get all of this or nothing. Nothing is that black and white as that, especially in law and how it's enforced.

Freebase Dali · 06-02-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

I notice you are kinda new to this discussion.

The reason why the poll was created was because there was a prior discussion between members and Tore about some possible new rule implementations that he suggested and most of the members did not like it while some agreed with his idea.

Most of the members were insisting that they did not want rules or infractions and enjoyed the current culture of the forum.

And IMO Tore created the poll as a result of the discussions and suggestions that were discussed.

So I don't think its fair to blame the creation of the poll strictly on "what Tore wanted" when he actually talked to multiple members (for feedback) before doing it.

The consensus that was gathered from the discussion was that some members did not want rules and infractions which is why the poll is either YES or NO for rules and infractions.

I was there.
But since you're willing to speak for all those individuals that wanted a poll, why don't you ask them directly if they'd prefer some of Tore's proposals, or all of them. Then ask them, particularly those that answer "some", if they'd prefer to vote yes on all of them, including the ones they don't agree with, or vote on them individually.

Hell, make a poll out of it...

YorkeDaddy · 06-02-2015, 08:58 PM

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They and I quote "like the current culture" of this forum which TO ME is not fair to other members who want to see changes in moderation and how the forum is run.

...So how exactly is changing it fair to the people that like the current culture of the forum?

Sounds like you're proposing something like: "Its either YOUR way or the high road," to use your own words

~~Soulflower~~ · 06-02-2015, 09:10 PM

I just think its crazy how earlier today lol Mostly everyone who voted NO (of not all but most) complained at the suggestions Tore had gave because they insisted they did not want rules or infractions because they liked the current culture of the forum. They said they did NOT want rules or infractions of any kind

There were even old mods like Mojo who insisted he agreed with Tore that there should be rules enforced because its not being enforced which is why he stepped down.

Yac even came in and agreed with Tore.

But now some of ya'll are pretending this discussion never took place before the poll?

http://media.giphy.com/media/v9G3NGByE9x16/giphy.gif

Really? Lol

My thing is don't complain that Tore did not try to get suggestions and feedback prior to the poll...when he did before the poll was even created. I hate when people try to make someone out to be something that they are not and bully people into a corner just because they don't agree with their stance on an an issue. He has been very diplomatic this entire time, more than what I can say for some of you.

Key · 06-02-2015, 09:10 PM

^Yac didn't agree. He said its up to the community.

YorkeDaddy · 06-02-2015, 09:12 PM

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They said they did NOT want rules or infractions of any kind

yo but can we get some actual quotes

Freebase Dali · 06-02-2015, 09:17 PM

Soulflower:

I'm glad Tore drummed up the interest he did. Which is simultaneously off-putting, because you would think that if most people were feeling so strongly about the issue, we might have gotten notice before then. But since his post seems to have given others the confidence to say what they couldn't say on their own before, then let them speak.

But let them speak precisely.

You do this with multiple choice, not a package. This is not about Tore, it's about how to best represent the community Tore is trying to advocate for. If he is truly out there for the community, then he will agree, and I suspect he will, because I suspect he is.

We could make the poll for him that includes the ability for each of Tore's proposed items to be selected individually, but since it was his proposal I think it best that we let him decide to do that or not. And his decision will say everything. And your decisions as a community if he decides to itemize rule changes as votes, will say even more.

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And with that, I'm out. I don't think there's anything further that needs to be said on the matter.

View Poll Results: Are you in favour of a new policy for rule enforcement? (not anonymous)
Yes	13	36.11%
No	20	55.56%
Don't know	3	8.33%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

06-02-2015, 09:17 PM	#90 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Soulflower: I'm glad Tore drummed up the interest he did. Which is simultaneously off-putting, because you would think that if most people were feeling so strongly about the issue, we might have gotten notice before then. But since his post seems to have given others the confidence to say what they couldn't say on their own before, then let them speak. But let them speak precisely. You do this with multiple choice, not a package. This is not about Tore, it's about how to best represent the community Tore is trying to advocate for. If he is truly out there for the community, then he will agree, and I suspect he will, because I suspect he is. We could make the poll for him that includes the ability for each of Tore's proposed items to be selected individually, but since it was his proposal I think it best that we let him decide to do that or not. And his decision will say everything. And your decisions as a community if he decides to itemize rule changes as votes, will say even more. Edit: And with that, I'm out. I don't think there's anything further that needs to be said on the matter. __________________

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06-02-2015, 09:10 PM	#87 (permalink)
~~Soulflower~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,304	I just think its crazy how earlier today lol Mostly everyone who voted NO *(of not all but most)* complained at the suggestions Tore had gave because they insisted they did not want rules or infractions because they liked the current culture of the forum. They said they did NOT want rules or infractions of any kind There were even old mods like Mojo who insisted he agreed with Tore that there should be rules enforced because its not being enforced which is why he stepped down. Yac even came in and agreed with Tore. But now some of ya'll are pretending this discussion never took place before the poll? http://media.giphy.com/media/v9G3NGByE9x16/giphy.gif Really? Lol My thing is don't complain that Tore did not try to get suggestions and feedback prior to the poll...when he did before the poll was even created. I hate when people try to make someone out to be something that they are not and bully people into a corner just because they don't agree with their stance on an an issue. He has been very diplomatic this entire time, more than what I can say for some of you.

06-02-2015, 09:10 PM	#88 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^Yac didn't agree. He said its up to the community.