djchameleon

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Originally Posted by djchameleon What do you think today's music means? Top 40, the popular stuff, by today's standards. Mainstream radio.

I think you're limiting yourself quite a bit here.


"What do you think today's music means?"

It means music that touches upon the innovations and themes significant to the people alive today. You could say Top 40 definitely fits here, yet most of it doesn't age well and ends up being forgotten later on.

Personally, the music of today will push the music of tomorrow. It's a link in the progression of art.


As for classical music, it is, clearly, still relevant. It continues to move people emotionally and make them think — whether it's Bach or Kodaly.

I'm sorry if this is lazy, but watch this if you're still doubtful. This man explains this in both a hilarious and elegant way.

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Originally Posted by elphenor the original question is stupid because classical was never relevant in the way pop music is the working class never went to see Mozart

The part in bold... it makes no sense.

elphenor

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It's a historical fact that classical music was not the music of the common man

it was funded by the wealthy for the wealthy, you would have heard it in the church that the affluent city folk attended but you would not hear it in a rural church of workers

the primary reason for this is it requires a lot of leisure time to learn and appreciate

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Originally Posted by elphenor ? It's a historical fact that classical music was not the music of the common man it was funded by the wealthy for the wealthy, you would have heard it in the church that the affluent city folk attended but you would not hear it in a rural church of workers the primary reason for this is it requires a lot of leisure time to learn and appreciate

The historical accuracy of your comment is not what is nonsensical — even though not all classical composers designed their music around the tastes of the wealthy.

It's nonsensical because its basis lies in the societal structures of then paralleling those of now, which is just incorrect.

The part in bold is incorrect as well. One does not need to learn/appreciate classical music in order to enjoy it. While it might be the case for some, this notion can be applied to any music.

For example, there was a time where I despised the music of The Beach Boys, but I eventually learned to appreciate and enjoy their music. The same can be said about The Fall (yes, I see your avatar). It took a while, but something eventually "clicked" after listening to (ironically enough) "The Classical." Now, they're one of my favorite post-punk bands, and Mark E. Smith stands as one of my favorite lyricists of all time.

Yet, I instantly loved The Goldberg Variations upon first listen. I didn't have to "get it" enable to enjoy it. I just enjoyed it for what it was.

Chula Vista

What the hell, I'll jump in the pool. Some of the best classical music I've been exposed to has been via present era movies. A great example is the opening sequence of Melancholia which uses Wagner's Tristan und Isolde Prelude to amazing affect. I immediately downloaded it and listen to it almost every day.

http://donniebshawn.com/Wagner-%20Tr...%20Prelude.mp3

So hauntingly beautiful.

*sniff*

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Frownland

That's an excellent soundtrack choice on von Trier's part, I agree.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

The use of Handel on Antichrist is another good example of von Trier's soundtrack genius (which I am just realizing).

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Chula Vista

Kubrick's use of classical in 2001 really set the stage for a lot of the modern directors. Especially how he used The Blue Danube during the docking sequence. Most Sci-Fi at that time showed everything whooshing through space with stars flying by and lots of mechanical noise. Kubrick showed how quiet, slow, and in a ballet sort of style, how beautiful movement in space really was.

von Trier shooting the opening of Melancholia in super slow motion with just the sounds of Wagner's piece almost echoed what Kubrick did with The Blue Danube.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

djchameleon

This thread basically boils down to classical lovers coming to defend their genre. This thread doesn't mean what most people think it means. They read the thread title and are all like "oh hell no". I like classical music myself but I understand that question that Burning Down posed.

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