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Old 03-11-2018, 06:56 PM   #10161 (permalink)
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Hence his 30% approval rating. My little sister thinks he's responsible for the sun coming out after it rains.

Talk about a Trumpette.
Yeah I believe he's in discussions with Discovery and Nat Geo to have their "How the Universe Works" programme rejigged to show how it's him that does everything good in the universe. Something about renaming it "How the Trumpiverse works"?
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:05 PM   #10162 (permalink)
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^ Yes, to actually live under his presidency must be really frustrating. I'm hoping the blue wave will materialize, but the Dems seem to be dragging their feet. I expected them to be all over the tighter-gun-control issue, riding on that upsurge of what? 92% of Americans wanting tighter controls. Why weren't they up on their soapboxes saying, "Vote for us and we'll enact more gun laws"?


^ ftfy
For me to rediscover a theoretical faith in humanity the American people would have to publicly and obviously recoil in horror at what they've done by electing this man. But the right wing of all walks of life will carry at least as much water as is required to make him sound like a reasonable president, and the swing voters like my mother will carry enough water to make it sound like it was reasonable to have voted for him in the first place. And the liberals will hate him because they have no reason to carry water for him. But on the whole the American people will pretend that this whole episode wasn't an embarrassment to the entire concept that the human race should even be trusted with the right to vote.

Jesus Christ I actually care less about voting now than I did before. Yeah, if people voted more and were more educated this could have been avoided, but if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they jump. All I know is that the human race is willing to vote for Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump. My fellow man is simply not worth my time to care. I just hope the elephants can survive our idiocy.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:18 PM   #10163 (permalink)
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For me to rediscover a theoretical faith in humanity the American people would have to publicly and obviously recoil in horror at what they've done by electing this man. But the right wing of all walks of life will carry at least as much water as is required to make him sound like a reasonable president, and the swing voters like my mother will carry enough water to make it sound like it was reasonable to have voted for him in the first place. And the liberals will hate him because they have no reason to carry water for him. But on the whole the American people will pretend that this whole episode wasn't an embarrassment to the entire concept that the human race should even be trusted with the right to vote.

Jesus Christ I actually care less about voting now than I did before. Yeah, if people voted more and were more educated this could have been avoided, but if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they jump. All I know is that the human race is willing to vote for Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump. My fellow man is simply not worth my time to care. I just hope the elephants can survive our idiocy.
If you vote you’re acknowledging the legitimacy of the political structure and therefore officially part of the problem. Everything about America is **** and the only moral position is complete rejection.

To go on your free will and with full understanding to vote for another human being to have power over you should be unthinkably humiliating to anyone with even the slightest dignity.
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:31 PM   #10164 (permalink)
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If you vote you’re acknowledging the legitimacy of the political structure and therefore officially part of the problem. Everything about America is **** and the only moral position is complete rejection.

To go on your free will and with full understanding to vote for another human being to have power over you should be unthinkably humiliating to anyone with even the slightest dignity.
Even if I'm not where you're at, the bolded was clearly something to roll my eyes at as it's as unreasonable as a human race willing to live in an anarchist commune. In some ways I think you actually have more faith than I do in humanity, because you seem to support actually a thing, whereas anything I support is just entertaining the thought. I think of politics as simply an amusing possibility. You actually seem to care.
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:52 PM   #10165 (permalink)
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Ok, I'm going to get trounced on....

Would the Dems have overturned the ban on elephant trophys?

Would the Dems have de-legitimized our US Intelligence agencies?

Would the Dems have condoned the alt-right?

Would the Dems have repealed the Clean Power Plan?

Would the Dems have actually condoned Police brutality?

Would the Dems have poured gasoline on the middle east?

Would the Dems have held back on Russian sanctions?

I could go on and on....

Hey Frowny, the lesser of two evils, right?
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:54 PM   #10166 (permalink)
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For me to rediscover a theoretical faith in humanity the American people would have to publicly and obviously recoil in horror at what they've done by electing this man. But the right wing of all walks of life will carry at least as much water as is required to make him sound like a reasonable president, and the swing voters like my mother will carry enough water to make it sound like it was reasonable to have voted for him in the first place. And the liberals will hate him because they have no reason to carry water for him. But on the whole the American people will pretend that this whole episode wasn't an embarrassment to the entire concept that the human race should even be trusted with the right to vote.
^ You sound remarkably like my brother, who always claims that 90% of the human race are stupid b*st*rds, and there's so much depressing evidence that this is true.

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Jesus Christ I actually care less about voting now than I did before. Yeah, if people voted more and were more educated this could have been avoided, but if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they jump. All I know is that the human race is willing to vote for Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump. My fellow man is simply not worth my time to care. I just hope the elephants can survive our idiocy.
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If you vote you’re acknowledging the legitimacy of the political structure and therefore officially part of the problem. Everything about America is **** and the only moral position is complete rejection.

At least we are in agreement in our loathing of the Republican party as it is today, because I strongly disagree with this response of not bothering to vote. I know this whole argument has been explored already, but I just don't see the sense in abstaining. Sometimes I think about the progress that has been made in our two countries, the struggle for freedom of worship, and the fight to win the right to vote. At one time both those rights were unthinkable, but we have them today; women can vote, black people can vote. To have that right and then say no thanks seems like a negation of what those people fought for. They fought for the principle of democracy and however gerrymandered it may be today, they fought against greater odds than anything that Trump can throw up; battles were won, in the streets, in the court of public opinion and in the polling booths.


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To go on your free will and with full understanding to vote for another human being to have power over you should be unthinkably humiliating to anyone with even the slightest dignity.
^ This I would particularly disagree with. When I get on a bus or go to the dentist, I let the bus driver or dentist have power over me without feeling unthinkably humiliated. I can't drive a bus and I can't run the country, so it seems logical to hand that job over to someone else.

EDIT: With Chula all the way! .....except in his spelling of "trophys"
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:57 PM   #10167 (permalink)
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I do agree that the Dems would have made things more comfortable for schmucks.
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Even if I'm not where you're at, the bolded was clearly something to roll my eyes at as it's as unreasonable as a human race willing to live in an anarchist commune. In some ways I think you actually have more faith than I do in humanity, because you seem to support actually a thing, whereas anything I support is just entertaining the thought. I think of politics as simply an amusing possibility. You actually seem to care.
I think you have a stronger will to live but I have a stronger will to power (in the Nietzschean sense).

We both dip deep into the well of nihilism. At my worst, I’ll give you good run for your money.
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I do agree that the Dems would have made things more comfortable for schmucks.
Go make some noise and call it an album.
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Ok, I'm going to get trounced on....

Would the Dems have overturned the ban on elephant trophys?

Would the Dems have de-legitimized our US Intelligence agencies?

Would the Dems have condoned the alt-right?

Would the Dems have repealed the Clean Power Plan?

Would the Dems have actually condoned Police brutality?

Would the Dems have poured gasoline on the middle east?

Would the Dems have held back on Russian sanctions?

I could go on and on....

Hey Frowny, the lesser of two evils, right?
Should I vote for someone who rapes me and then cuts my throat or someone who rapes me and then tenderly holds me while I cry?

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At least we are in agreement in our loathing of the Republican party as it is today, because I strongly disagree with this response of not bothering to vote. I know this whole argument has been explored already, but I just don't see the sense in abstaining. Sometimes I think about the progress that has been made in our two countries, the struggle for freedom of worship, and the fight to win the right to vote. At one time both those rights were unthinkable, but we have them today; women can vote, black people can vote. To have that right and then say no thanks seems like a negation of what those people fought for. They fought for the principle of democracy and however gerrymandered it may be today, they fought against greater odds than anything that Trump can throw up; battles were won, in the streets, in the court of public opinion and in the polling booths.
All of those things are only of worth if they result in a culture that continues to progress in the way that our current Western culture is progressing (in the way that we like to think it's progressing). I'm not going to internalize the fight of people to attain a democratic government that I believe to be doomed any more than I'm going to internalize the battles won by WW2 veterans who fought for something they likewise didn't understand and couldn't build toward. It's terrible to think that all of this could have been for naught, but I have no faith in what we're becoming, not so much in that I think we'll become Nazi Germany, but in that I think we'll become something completely unenthusiastic that will serve those who can pay what's necessary to get what they want and it won't be much else.

Unless of course global warming just destroys society as we know it. I'm sure that won't happen.
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