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Trollheart 05-27-2017 05:09 AM

Yeah, wild horses wouldn't drag me into a Poundworld store. ;)

Cuthbert 05-27-2017 06:07 AM

Customers now in a stable condition.

Janszoon 05-27-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1840312)
Customers now in a stable condition.

Was that funny joke? Neigh.

Cuthbert 05-27-2017 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1840313)
Was that funny joke? Neigh.

Was funny joke.

OccultHawk 05-27-2017 07:03 AM

Spotify hopes going public will cement streaming as music's future

Trollheart 05-27-2017 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1840313)
Was that funny joke? Neigh.

Come on now, that's a horse of a different colour.

Lisnaholic 05-27-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1840123)
Such pathetic sentences in Australia. This piece of **** could be out in 7 years after killing his daughter.

^ What a sweet-looking kid! A guy who has been so cruel to someone so defenceless deserves a life sentence imo.

EDIT: By coincidence, I came across another story of abysmal parenting this morning. At least this one seems to be more about ignorance than malice, and has a happier ending:-

Utah woman locks children in trunk while she shops, police say - CNN.com

OccultHawk 05-28-2017 08:34 AM

Muslim man sues Little Caesars for $100M over pork on pizza - CBS News

Cuthbert 05-28-2017 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1840586)

How did he know it was pork :confused:

Chula Vista 05-28-2017 09:38 AM

United States Housing and Urban Development Secretary.

Ben Carson calls poverty 'state of mind' in interview - CNNPolitics.com

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

DwnWthVwls 05-28-2017 04:04 PM

Nothing wrong with the point he's making. You just see everything through your pinhole.

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"I think poverty to a large extent is also a state of mind," the retired neurosurgeon said during an interview with SiriusXM Radio released on Wednesday evening. "You take somebody that has the right mindset, you can take everything from them and put them on the street, and I guarantee in a little while they'll be right back up there. And you take somebody with the wrong mindset, you could give them everything in the world, they'll work their way right back down to the bottom."

OccultHawk 05-28-2017 04:07 PM

So if you're broke you can pay your rent with positivity?

djchameleon 05-28-2017 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1840661)
Nothing wrong with the point he's making. You just see everything through your pinhole.

Except he is wrong, there is so much more that goes into poverty. Of course he would say something that tone deaf and simplistic. Of course you would agree with him too. No surprise there.

DwnWthVwls 05-28-2017 04:22 PM

I love how you guys ignore the bolded.. so let's break it down for those of you who like to play dumb.

Also - meaning one of multiple variables
Has the right state of mind - if you're a member of society suffering from systematic poverty your entire life, you probably don't have this quality. The fact that there are people who make it out of the ghetto and make something of themselves in spite of all the shit they had to go through pretty much destroys any counterpoint you can make about it being a non-variable. The system is beatable except to people like you telling everyone they are doomed to fail because of a fucked up system that beat's the shit out of certain groups.


The ability some of you have to over simplify positions you do not agree with never fails to amaze me. Negative, defeatist attitudes for days. You can acknowledge problems without taking your position.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1840663)
So if you're broke you can pay your rent with positivity?

This is a complete misrepresentation of his point.

OccultHawk 05-28-2017 04:39 PM

If he said certain people would have a better chance of climbing out of poverty if they had a reason to hope and that's why we're committed to educational opportunities and job training programs that would show a sensitivity to what it means to be impoverished. But when he says bluntly, even in part it's a state of mind if you're poor, well, you know that you can't just think money into existence. One has to be very charitable with his words to find a reasonable interpretation of what he's saying. Poverty is literally a lack of money/wealth. There's no way around that reality when you're poor. Also, considering his history of saying stupid things and the administration he's now a part of there's very reason to give him any benefit of the doubt.

OccultHawk 05-28-2017 04:42 PM

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This is a complete misrepresentation of his point.
Of course, I understand that. But his point is so irrelevant to my lack of funds that I feel justified redirecting it so it makes some ****ing sense.

DwnWthVwls 05-28-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1840683)
If he said certain people would have a better chance of climbing out of poverty if they had a reason to hope and that's why we're committed to educational opportunities and job training programs that would show a sensitivity to what it means to be impoverished. But when he says bluntly, even in part it's a state of mind if you're poor, well, you know that you can't just think money into existence. One has to be very charitable with his words to find a reasonable interpretation of what he's saying. Poverty is literally a lack of money/wealth. There's no way around that reality when you're poor. Also, considering his history of saying stupid things and the administration he's now a part of there's very reason to give him any benefit of the doubt.

He kind of addressed this.. Did you even read the article?

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Carson said the government can provide help to those in need.
"I think the majority of people don't have that defeatist attitude, but they sometimes just don't see the way, and that's where government can come in and be very helpful," he added. "It can provide the ladder of opportunity, it can provide the mechanism that will demonstrate to them what can be done."
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1840684)
Of course, I understand that. But his point is so irrelevant to my lack of funds that I feel justified redirecting it so it makes some ****ing sense.

You've already demonstrated your completely piss poor attitude and work ethic sooo yeah. You don't want to call his point about mindstates relevant because then you might actually have to improve yours and try in life.

DwnWthVwls 05-28-2017 05:27 PM

Honestly, just look at Chula. The guy has been beaten and dragged through the mud, and he's reaching out to us for help, trying to get his own business going for some extra income, and relying on the government for assistance. He's not just giving up.

OccultHawk 05-28-2017 07:13 PM

Yes. His story is deeply inspirational.

Trollheart 05-28-2017 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1840712)
Yes. His story is deeply inspirational.

Upcoming mini-series: In Through the Out Door: the Rise and Fall of Chula Vista....

Exo 05-28-2017 07:24 PM

I'm starting to get really tired of these public figures slapping an idealism onto something that is so case by case such as poverty. You can't say sh*t like that and not expect people to run with it and start looking down at poor people. That kind of statement breeds people who look at a homeless man and wonder why he doesn't have a job.

Lots of realities exist. That man could be mentally ill. He could be a substance abuser. He could be the laziest man ever. He could have lost his home in a fire, ect...ect...ect...

Point is. Don't f*cking throw a blanket of a statement like that publicly. It throws salt right in the face of people who are poor who really really try not to be but can't because of societal reasons. I'm not mad at Carson because he's SUPER WRONG. I'm mad because he is a completely tone deaf rich doctor with no tact or humbleness whatsoever.

OccultHawk 05-28-2017 08:50 PM

Amen brother

DwnWthVwls 05-28-2017 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1840717)
I'm starting to get really tired of these public figures slapping an idealism onto something that is so case by case such as poverty. You can't say sh*t like that and not expect people to run with it and start looking down at poor people. That kind of statement breeds people who look at a homeless man and wonder why he doesn't have a job.

Lots of realities exist. That man could be mentally ill. He could be a substance abuser. He could be the laziest man ever. He could have lost his home in a fire, ect...ect...ect...

Point is. Don't f*cking throw a blanket of a statement like that publicly. It throws salt right in the face of people who are poor who really really try not to be but can't because of societal reasons. I'm not mad at Carson because he's SUPER WRONG. I'm mad because he is a completely tone deaf rich doctor with no tact or humbleness whatsoever.

This is a much better reason for why he's wrong to have said that than the others have presented, and I mostly agree, but I wonder what idealism are you talking about? I also don't think it's wrong for people to look at the homless and ask why? Whether it's condescending or out of sincere concern people recognizing the problem is important.. It's much better than people not even acknowledging their existence or just obliviously okay with that being a part of society.

Exo 05-28-2017 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1840755)
This is a much better reason for why he's wrong to have said that than the others have presented, and I mostly agree, but I wonder what idealism are you talking about? I also don't think it's wrong for people to look at the homless and ask why? Whether it's condescending or out of sincere concern people recognizing the problem is important.. It's much better than people not even acknowledging their existence.

The idealism that poverty is sustained by a lack of effort. It's true for a lot of cases but not for all. People lose jobs. People make poor decisions in the housing market. When I inspected houses for a living, you wouldn't believe all the homes that were abandoned by literally upheaval. These people were so deep in the sh*tter that they literally left everything they owned and went who the hell knows where. It doesn't even have to be homelessness. There are a sh*t ton of families that survive by eating ramen every night while both parents work three jobs. It's so much more expensive to be poor than it is to be wealthy. Some families are barely able to keep their mouth above the water for air.

To highlight my point just for emphasis, I don't think Carson thinks that if you're poor you must not be trying hard enough. Maybe he meant it to be motivational. My point is that Ben Carson isn't the speaker of the poverty stricken. He's somebody that, for some reason, has serious value to his opinions and I think it's irresponsible to broadcast the slightest hint of an idea that people are poor because they don't have the right mindset.

Just tell people to donate when they can and perhaps volunteer once or twice a month at a homeless shelter and let the people who follow your word as gospel in some case make up their own damn minds as to why Jerry down the street is selling all of his things on his lawn every weekend.

Trollheart 05-29-2017 04:40 AM

There are more homeless people in Ireland now than ever before. Why? In a single phrase; housing crash and bank crash. When people couldn't afford to keep up their mortgages, which had risen year on year with the banks, who had ****ed us all over, getting fatter and fatter, did these banks understand? **** no: hand back your keys. So many people who would never have dreamed they would be on the streets are now either there, or crammed into one hotel room with their entire family, trying to scrape by. That's not a mindset, that's not people being lazy or not having the right attitude. That's a heartless government and - for want of a better phrase - rich class who don't give a curse about the hardship they've caused through their greed, intend to do nothing about it and STILL smile their ads on the TV about how "we're backing doing" (huh?) - basically saying they're lending for mortgages if you want one. Interestingly, among all the flowers and singing, every single one of these ads now comes with a stark warning: FAILURE TO KEEP UP REPAYMENTS ON YOUR MORTGAGE CAN LEAD TO LOSS OF YOUR HOME, AND WILL AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO OBTAIN CREDIT IN THE FUTURE.

****ing ****s.

Also, there are more houses being built for private sale than for social housing by a factor of god knows how much, but it's big. Maybe 10 percent for social housing. So those stuck in a hotel room, or on the streets, or living on a friend's charity, can see all these new houses but it's like in Family Guy: NO! NOT FOR YOU!

Again, ****s.

I don't see where in any of this any particular mindset comes into it, and I too am disgusted with and ashamed of this guy for suggesting, from his no doubt mansion and grounds, with his massive salary and huge pension pot, that it might be. It doesn't matter that it's only suggested as one of many factors; like Exo says, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. It shows a heartless disregard for the real suffering poor people are going through, and coming from the mouth of one who probably never had anything other than a silver spoon in his, again, disgusting.

He should read Jack London's The People of the Abyss, then talk of mindsets.

OccultHawk 05-29-2017 06:50 AM

Right on TH!

OccultHawk 05-29-2017 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1840798)
Well yeah he's the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development

being ****ty at governing is "largely also a mindset" Ben

lol

I know it's a cliche at this point to say this about the Trump administration but without exaggeration I can say he's the worst choice possible for that position.



"Don't Worry. Be Happy"

Frownland 05-30-2017 01:49 PM

NY man on LSD saves dog from hallucinated house fire - NY Daily News

I can't believe it's not satire.

OccultHawk 05-30-2017 02:13 PM

You ever take a large dose of DXM?

Combine that with whatever designer drug they were calling LSD.

You ****ed up, now.

Frownland 05-30-2017 02:20 PM

Just reads like one of those heavy handed anti-drug things like "man thinks he's a glass of OJ."

Never mixed it, but I've taken 600 mg of DXM and my head exploded. Also interesting LSD note. Do you think that it doesn't exist in its true form on the market these days or is it just being counterfeited a lot?

OccultHawk 05-30-2017 02:57 PM

I'm just hazarding a guess but I think considering what you need access to and the need to be a skilled chemist and how much easier it is for university labs to be monitored now that the risk/reward ratio doesn't make much sense. I think you need someone with the access, skills, clout, AND a political motivation. You have to have someone who WANTS LSD to exist out there. Obviously, I don't know but if it is being manufactured in the US it's likely being done in your neck of the woods. I think it's more likely to be being manufactured in Europe than North America. However, LSD is so potent and a single manufactured batch produced so many hits it's not necessarily all consumed even if production has been halted.

At best, being counterfeited a lot. Where I live? Unless I knew the chemist personally I'm assuming it's off the market. Fortunately, I grew up before the age of thousands of research chemicals and designer drugs. We used to call blotter the Pearly Gates.

Frownland 05-30-2017 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1841166)
I'm just hazarding a guess but I think considering what you need access to and the need to be a skilled chemist and how much easier it is for university labs to be monitored now that the risk/reward ratio doesn't make much sense. I think you need someone with the access, skills, clout, AND a political motivation. You have to have someone who WANTS LSD to exist out there.

It's pretty popular in the rave scene, which I would consider a very large market.

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At best, being counterfeited a lot. Where I live? Unless I knew the chemist personally I'm assuming it's off the market. Fortunately, I grew up before the age of thousands of research chemicals and designer drugs. We used to call blotter the Pearly Gates.
TFW LSD was originally a research chemical...

But ja, definitely gotta know the chemist or have some rock solid trust in your dealer these days. I suppose it's impossible to know, but I like to think that out of the handful of times I've done it, I only got sketchy **** once (and even then I think it was just high in strychnine).

I'd be interested in some research on this, but that war on drugs is more important than understanding them so research is a big nono.

OccultHawk 05-30-2017 03:43 PM

https://erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth5.shtml

The strychnine thing is a myth

Frownland 05-30-2017 03:47 PM

Say that to my friend who tested positive for it at the mental institution he lives at now.

The myth is the degree to which it's out there, not that it occurs at all.

OccultHawk 05-30-2017 04:09 PM

Still unconvinced.

OccultHawk 05-30-2017 06:05 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/football...reatest-conman

OccultHawk 06-01-2017 07:36 AM

Perspective | I got pregnant. I chose to keep my baby. And my Christian school humiliated me. - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/ATCXYCxTzR_6REVisflQDuA

I hope they keep shaming these girls so unplanned babies keep getting aborted. This white trash bitch should know they don't give a **** about secret sex and abortion they just want to keep it swept under the rug. Now she's going to destroy that beautiful 18 year old pussy by giving birth instead of getting an abortion like any normal middle class girl would do. No one wants her to waste that young pussy. They just don't want her bringing the ghetto to the suburbs.

Trollheart 06-01-2017 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1841696)
Perspective | I got pregnant. I chose to keep my baby. And my Christian school humiliated me. - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/ATCXYCxTzR_6REVisflQDuA

I hope they keep shaming these girls so unplanned babies keep getting aborted. This white trash bitch should know they don't give a **** about secret sex and abortion they just want to keep it swept under the rug. Now she's going to destroy that beautiful 18 year old pussy by giving birth instead of getting an abortion like any normal middle class girl would do. No one wants her to waste that young pussy. They just don't want her bringing the ghetto to the suburbs.

You truly are Man of the Year material.

Cuthbert 06-01-2017 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1841696)
Perspective | I got pregnant. I chose to keep my baby. And my Christian school humiliated me. - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/ATCXYCxTzR_6REVisflQDuA

I hope they keep shaming these girls so unplanned babies keep getting aborted. This white trash bitch should know they don't give a **** about secret sex and abortion they just want to keep it swept under the rug. Now she's going to destroy that beautiful 18 year old pussy by giving birth instead of getting an abortion like any normal middle class girl would do. No one wants her to waste that young pussy. They just don't want her bringing the ghetto to the suburbs.

http://rs1086.pbsrc.com/albums/j447/...od/Uh.gif~c200

The Batlord 06-01-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1841696)
Perspective | I got pregnant. I chose to keep my baby. And my Christian school humiliated me. - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/ATCXYCxTzR_6REVisflQDuA

I hope they keep shaming these girls so unplanned babies keep getting aborted. This white trash bitch should know they don't give a **** about secret sex and abortion they just want to keep it swept under the rug. Now she's going to destroy that beautiful 18 year old pussy by giving birth instead of getting an abortion like any normal middle class girl would do. No one wants her to waste that young pussy. They just don't want her bringing the ghetto to the suburbs.

If OH keeps this up I'm gonna have to vote for him for Member of the Year when the time comes.


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