Thats also not true. He had relationships with some of those women.

Man the media is really powerful, it can easily sway a lot of yall to make up your minds even before real evidence is actually presented. Sad.

The media is SUPPOSE to paint a picture because it wants you to think a certain way.

smh

Man Soulflowers blind denial is really powerful.

don't forget who runs the media.... i'm looking at you, larry david.

Denial about what?

You are the one that seems to already have your mind made up but its rather absurd to call me in denial just because you choose to believe the accusations and I don't because I want more information.

You want to believe the media and fine you can believe the media.

However

Based on what you believe, its clear you have not researched the allegations beyond the media spin.

If you are going to believe a man is a rapist with no real proof of it besides "hear say" at least have "all the information that is presented" right.

Forum Seniors: Should I engage?

What do you think is more statistically possible: him raping someone or all of these women lying?

Not unless you want forehead scars from beating your head against a wall. I just drop it once it gets too cyclical.

Understood. Over and out.

*shrugs*

I dunno why you would need member's opinion on whether to converse back in forth with someone if you strongly believe a man is a rapist with no real concrete evidence.

No one is cussing at you

No one is being disrespectful at you

If you boldly say that on an open forum, people (if they disagree) are naturally going to respond to you.

This forum has an odd "group think" mentality that I dont think I will ever understand.

Just conversation with you in general can be pretty irritating if it takes off and goes in circles, the subject matter is irrelevant.

The accusations are from numerous women spanning many years.

I don't believe Bill Cosby is a rapist. I believe that Bill Cosby's got some pretty f*cking strong splaining to do.

And until he backs his ass completely out of all of this mess, I'm gonna keep him in my "celebs who have f*cked up" folder.

I don't think there were any circles going on in this thread at all. You seem to be pretty nasty sometimes in conversations with me when you disagree. Why, I don't know I don't have a problem with you.

There are far richer and more believable celebrities to go after if someone hypothetically wanted to acquire some sort of rape settlement.

Lol read my last post. Or

What is "concrete evidence"?

Both.


I don't think I ever said, him raping some of these woman was "impossible" I never said that. I just said that it is sad that most have already found him guilty of something he has not went to trial for and these accusations need to be further investigated.

Do you think Janice Dickinson was raped by Bill Cosby?

Cause she went on national television and said she was and she is definitly lying in my opinion.

Michael Jackson was accused multiple times and was extorted for money. I am tired of people believing the media lies and instead of using their brains and researching for themselves.

Forehead dented.

*ugh*

So you don't think these claims can't be further investigated? lol

A poster said he was mentors to all these women when that is not completely true. He actually dated some of these women in the 80's.

Thats a false misconception right there.

These accusations need to handled case by case and not clumped together.

He only settled one civil suit, not "multlple"


These are examples of the media propaganda at its finest twisting certain thing so it fits a specific picture.

I don't mean it that way, but a lot of times the conversations go
Soulflower: X
Frownland: Y
Soulflower: Y is not true but X
Frownland: But Y and Z
Soulflower: X!
Frownland: What about G?
Soulflower: X!

And I kind of get a little frustrated.

So you think the odds of a rape victim lying is the same as if they're telling the truth? I wonder why rape victims don't want to come out

Your avatar says "Talk to the hand!"

LOL! hahaha great description!

I think you get mad when you are presented with a challenge and when people disagree with you. I notice this pattern when you debate even with others. You should work on that and I say that with luv :)

No, I just have an open mind perspective when looking at this situation because the circumstances for "how these accusations came about" are questionable for this particular situation.

You keep generalizing this particular situation.

Once again, all the points you made I never disagreed with but you seem to have your mind made up...so when people say, you should research the accusations or get more information on such and such in your brain... you already have your mind made up. lol

I just don't like bad logic in most of those cases but yes there are a few subjects I'm militant about. Since we're working on character together you ought to look into bringing something new to the table instead of just reiterating the same point.

Rapist or not, he still makes me laugh. Let the justice system handle it, idgaf. Good luck to the women he may or may not have hurt.

Not character, debating style and

Thanks I will take that into consideration.

Yes go on about how you think potential rape victims are lying. Please. What is your evodence?

Lol "open mind". Awesome. Again, no wonder nobody comes out in rape cases

Ninetales lol

What is your point because I never disagreed with anything you said

I am lost.

My point is: it is very likely that Cosby raped those women

That is your opinion.

It is still however is not necessarily a fact.

Once again, I never said it was NOT possible.

I just think its unfair people have made up their minds when these accusations should be investigated more.

BBC News - Kenya bus attack: Al-Shabab 'wants religious war'

I'm assuming something was taken out of context. It is the religion of peace after all.

Not for the extremists (i.e. the minority of Muslims) at least. The whole religion of peace thing is an American concept that started with Bush I think.

The idea of a "religion of peace" is absurd. Almost all religions espouse peace to some degree or other. I'm sure even Norse mythology did in some strange way. Almost all practitioners of every religion also ignore this and do what they want, often times even backed up by passages in their books that are taken out of context (or that apologists just like to pretend are taken out of context).

And to think that any Abrahamic religion is "peaceful" is likewise ridiculous. Violence and religious intolerance have been encouraged since Judaism's inception.

I am also dubious of the people who claim that extremist Islamists are necessarily misinterpreting the Quran. The religious texts of Abrahamic religions are often so vague and open to interpretation that God himself should be tried for negligent homicide. Any deity worthy of the name could have predicted the atrocities that have happened because of supposed misinterpretations, and disagreements over some passage or another's meaning---and yet he/she/they still put pen to paper anyway.

Besides, how are you gonna tell me that some crackpot cleric who's been reading and dissecting the Quran his entire life doesn't have the right to claim some level of expertise? He lives and breathes Islam in a way that most of the people claiming that he misinterprets the text never could. Maybe God really does want believers to kill the infidels.

In a lot of cases, it's choosing to hold one side of conflicting points in the Quran like burning the infidel even though the text also says that they should welcome them in their home and abhors harm towards innocents. As for the crackpot cleric statement, a lot of these misinterpretations or exaggerations are for hidden motives such as prejudices and power. The Quran isn't a perfect text but generally it goes against what a lot of extremists claim that it does, to quote DOOM they "tear a page out of the good book and hear it out they want it".

And I also think that the number of moderate Muslims who don't want apostasy and things like that is highly ignored.

Religion of peace comes from nothing that the Quran or Muhammad said, it's a political idiom that came about after 9/11.

If there was a law that could be interpreted to say that it's OK to beat your wife, should we leave it and say domestic abusers are taking it out of context or should we change it so that it's clear it's not acceptable?

This annoys me. Liberals constantly shout down critics of Islam saying that those who are extreme or violent are not real Muslims, who are they to say that? It's exactly the same as saying extremists are the real Muslims.

Islam is the one religion which is consistently producing evil around the world wherever it goes. Western Muslims will say Islam is being interpreted wrongly but it's bollocks, in all the hundreds of years, and the dozens of countries who have implemented shit like the Sharia not one has managed to get it right? And this from a book which claims to be perfect, clear and from God.

- Hateful scripture
- Scripture being interpreted as hateful and taught as such
- Bad acts carried out

Islam ticks all the boxes mate.

Maybe god is above all this egotistical human bullsh*t

It never made sense to me how most religions humanize gods by either given them petty flaws like jealousy or making them gods of a specific thing, like the god of music or love or wthvr

I mean, why would a god(s) have the same problem and limitation as us? you would think them being gods they would have a higher mindset and be above our human downfalls but no apparently they aren't.

What would be examples of the hateful scriptures? And don't say the kill the infidel verse, I mentioned that above. The other two boxes you mentioned are all related to interpretation so I guess that doesn't really help your point.

In real life, I know two Muslims and they're both good people.

But when I watch the news it's hard not conclude that Islam has a little extra nasty running through it.

Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement

I've got more ammo. Don't worry.

I think that's just a product of the times and culture similar to the slavery verses in the Bible. Doesn't excuse it obviously. Not enough to call the Quran a hateful scripture IMO. Next.