The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

The Batlord · 11-03-2019, 04:37 PM

I don't think I made such a logical leap that you can't follow it without some pussyass evasion. Yes morality evolved to keep people from murdering, stealing, and being rude to each other for the sake of survivability. But the human mind is too complex for morality to stay so simplistic without seeing right through the illusion which is why morality became as convoluted as people are and evolved into things like religion and arcane honor codes and modernism and post-modernism.

Chula Vista · 11-03-2019, 04:59 PM

This place hurts my ****ing head sometimes. WTF point are you folks trying to arrive at?

Humans were ****ed as soon as they learned the word "why".

11-03-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

This place hurts my ****ing head sometimes. WTF point are you folks trying to arrive at?

Humans were ****ed as soon as they learned the word "why".

take an Ambien and hit the sack

Chula Vista · 11-03-2019, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

take an Ambien and hit the sack

3 Benadryl two hours before bed, but it's much too early.

Oh, and...

11-03-2019, 05:06 PM

It's not an evasion, it's keeping the statement in context.

I was referring to the actions of nation States as we were having a discussion on American foreign policy. I wasn't saying that humans are incapable of altruism on an individual level. That's an important distinction to me.

Since we evolved in tribes, we naturally have instincts for maintaining order within a society. We are far less biologically developed at maintaining order between different competing societies. That is why things that would be considered unforgivable within the tribe are tolerated when at war with a rival tribe.

And again, morality is an aspect of religion and philosophy. One among many. Religion and philosophy are not derived from morality though. It is merely one source of insight among many.

11-03-2019, 05:15 PM

If we could all become one big NWO conglomerate that would be best for world peace

But that's a risky endeavor

The Batlord · 11-03-2019, 05:18 PM

why the **** can't i post?

The Batlord · 11-03-2019, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

This place hurts my ****ing head sometimes. WTF point are you folks trying to arrive at?

My point (evolved from various other posts in a conversation from days ago that I'm not going to track down) is that you can't sit in your armchair and just play chess across the world because it removes the visceral moral element from your decision making as you have no connection to the places you're attempting to make decisions for. I mean you can but invariably the inhuman results of your decisions have consequences for real people who are not pieces on a chessboard and the result is the quagmire of death, genocide, oppression, and exploitation that has been the world for thousands of years.

There are nice, normal, non-sociopathic people right here who are voicing opinions they think are just and good that influence public policy that result in horrors thousands of miles away and to view that as simply the way things are and always will be and thus we should just accept it is for those nice normal people to shed their nice normality and become unfeeling robots who under no circumstances will ever care about the consequences of their country's actions. Our nice normal people can be ****s but they still hope for a world where their opinions they voice to our leaders result in a better world for everyone and if we're not working towards that in some ****ing way we might as well give up this whole human experiment right now.

11-03-2019, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

My point (evolved from various other posts in a conversation from days ago that I'm not going to track down) is that you can't sit in your armchair and just play chess across the world because it removes the visceral moral element from your decision making as you have no connection to the places you're attempting to make decisions for. I mean you can but invariably the inhuman results of your decisions have consequences for real people who are not pieces on a chessboard and the result is the quagmire of death, genocide, oppression, and exploitation that has been the world for thousands of years.

There are nice, normal, non-sociopathic people right here who are voicing opinions they think are just and good that influence public policy that result in horrors thousands of miles away and to view that as simply the way things are and always will be and thus we should just accept it is for those nice normal people to shed their nice normality and become unfeeling robots who under no circumstances will ever care about the consequences of their country's actions. Our nice normal people can be ****s but they still hope for a world where their opinions they voice to our leaders result in a better world for everyone and if we're not working towards that in some ****ing way we might as well give up this whole human experiment right now.

... Is this is response to me?

The Batlord · 11-03-2019, 05:26 PM

Yeah I guess so. I was trying to respond to Chula about the point I was making with a bunch of quotes of the conversation up till now but it wouldn't let me post so I deleted all the quotes and posted that cause I wasn't about to waste it or alter it after all that time I spent on it. Salvage it as you will.

11-03-2019, 04:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	This place hurts my **ing head sometimes. WTF point are you folks trying to arrive at? Humans were **ed as soon as they learned the word "why". __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

11-03-2019, 05:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	It's not an evasion, it's keeping the statement in context. I was referring to the actions of nation States as we were having a discussion on American foreign policy. I wasn't saying that humans are incapable of altruism on an individual level. That's an important distinction to me. Since we evolved in tribes, we naturally have instincts for maintaining order within a society. We are far less biologically developed at maintaining order between different competing societies. That is why things that would be considered unforgivable within the tribe are tolerated when at war with a rival tribe. And again, morality is an aspect of religion and philosophy. One among many. Religion and philosophy are not derived from morality though. It is merely one source of insight among many.

11-03-2019, 05:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	If we could all become one big NWO conglomerate that would be best for world peace But that's a risky endeavor