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Chula that's not what you said.

Also all of those things can be true at once.

We use terrorism as shorthand in this country, like we shortcut the word racist or fascist to apply when it's technically incorrect. I try to not get to tied up in knots about it, but I'm sympathetic to both arguments.

For the record:
Terrorism -
1. "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents"
2. "the use of violence or threat of violence especially against civilians in the pursuit of political aims, religious, or ideological change"

So you need to be a) not a national majority (Basque separatists, Klansmen, Tamil Tigers) b) acting in support of political goals (IRA - independence from England, ISIS - establishment of an Islamic Caliphate) and c) target non-combatants (lynchings, purposeful vehicular collisions, nightclub shootings, etc.).

As of 3 PM EST, October 2, 2017, we're only sure about C. American media is incredibly hypocritical in that they generally don't reserve this kind of circumspection when the shooter is brown or has squiggles on his twitter feed. But they are, technically, correct in not calling this terrorism. For now.

Also, fuuuuuccckkk that CBS lawyer. Not a single person deserves to die for their beliefs, whether religious, political, or other. Not. A. Single. One. She's no liberal. Glad she was fired.

CBS Fires Legal Exec Over Las Vegas Shooting Comments – Variety

That was quick. Should have taken a PR course for an elective in law school.

What a stupid twat lol.

Take it up with his co-workers, his dad, the authorites, the people that worked at Pulse, and the guys that came forward as possible lovers. Not me.

It's been 16 months since the shooting. Ya'd think more info to back the ISIS claim would have come out by now.

As a long time closeted and angry homosexual man with thoughts of killing blacks, jews, and gays, as verified by his co-workers, family, and social hook ups, I guess, in the final hours of my life, I can completely change the narrative to deflect my true motives. I mean, choosing to shoot up a gay bar that I secretly visted for pleasure on numerous occasions, and me trying to hide being queer would be too obvious, right.

So during my three hour standoff with the cops I'll hop on Facebook and find all of the most recent radical Islam stories and get a few talking points to feed 9-1-1 so that the narrative goes that way, instead of my sexual orientation.

In a weird way it reminds me of the convicted child molester and killer sitting on death row with no remorse at all. Then on his last day, he asks for a priest out of desperation to absolve all of his sins in an effort to get into heaven.

You mean other than the stuff that you mentioned?

This conversation is dumber than a bag of hammers. Life is not black and white Chula. ISIS wasn't his key motivation, but it did play a role in it.

It's not the conversation that's dumb. ;)

Time to play guitar and watch a movie.

How self-aware of you.

haha

You didn't hear in that 5min video. The bearded good guy was going to get his gun. He kinda looks like Dan Blizaran.

So what do you guys think should be done about the guns then?

Leave at as it is as it's gone too far/too many guns/pointless?

Tighter controls/background checks before purchasing?

Ban them (I know it's not possible now)?

Granted I'm not American, but if I lived over there I'd want the authorities to clamp down hard on firearms now. Yeah it will still happen, but 1 mass shooting is better than 100, and the less weapons among the population, the less likely stuff like this is to happen.

It doesn't matter what we the people want. NRA and other gun lobbyists has congress on lockdown with their handouts.

Alright I'm not gonna go back and quote somebody five pages back, but I don't think it makes sense to call this terrorism. I don't think it makes sense to call that Muslim who shot up the gay bar terrorism (even if I did at the time I'm calling bull**** on myself). To me making the definition of terrorism is so vague as to become useless. Including this or Columbine or other "lone wolf" attacks or attacks by people who are just crazy, angry, and isolated from society makes no sense. Why should any of those acts be equated to 9/11 or suicide bombings perpetrated by organizations who are essentially non-state armies? It's just a way to talk about muslim terrorists without using the word "muslim".

Even if it's not the dictionary definition I think the only way for terrorism to make sense as a concept is to use it to describe those paramilitary organizations like Al Qaeda and the IRA that operation in those general modus operandi. Cause, again, what's the point of putting this guy in Vegas in the same boat as Osama Bin Laden? What the **** do they even have in common besides killing a bunch of civilians? What purpose is being served?

And yeah I was definitely a cock in that thread about the Paris shooting.

stricter gun laws, yeah. but the right and left are too busy yelling at each other so they don’t realize they could v easily compromise on the issue and move forward with a much safer and smarter policy in effect.

a big part of is assumptions, seems like a lot of key figures on the right think everyone on the left wants to “take their guns,” while it seems like the left tends to think that everyone on the right wants no gun regulations whatsoever. if it wasn’t such an us vs them mentality we wouldn’t have to have this conversation.

there’s nothing more disgusting than social media after an event like this. half of the people are hoping the killer is muslim so they can use it for their agenda, the other half wants him to be white so that they can.

people can be gross.

+1

Why is he waiting till Wednesday? Doesn't he have casinos and hotels there?
Yeah, that really helps doesn't it?
You're exactly correct. The closer to home it hits (both geographically and racially) the more we react. The further it is from us, and the more different the people are, it's nothing to do with us.
****ing seriously? :yikes:
Or just a course in how to pass for a human being.

The bad guy had an automatic rifle. A glock would kind of be outclassed.

I know you’re being dumb, but the idiocy of your post is nonetheless maddening.

It's supposed to be ironic.

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If he didn't already agree to visit those pesky latinos down in PR to visit them Tuesday since last week. I'm sure he would have been down there with the quickness.

When it comes to white people, he responds and goes to visit so quickly.

23 guns in his hotel room at Mandalay Bay and another 19 back at his home. That's 42 guns total. Most semi-automatic rifles that had been coverted to full automatic. The shooter's brother hinted that he was pretty well off financially. He also said that when he helped him move a few months back he only had a couple of handguns in a safe and maybe one long rifle but not of the assault variety.

So how the bloody hell did this guy purchase dozens of guns over a short period of time without sending up any warning signals?

Here in California the gun buying process is pretty stringent. I had to fill out a federal application for a background check, which included a notary verified thumb print. Then I purchased the gun and the serial number was inputted into the national database to align with my info and print.

Then there's a 5 day waiting period before you can actually obtain the gun - after you pass a written safety test as well as a "how to handle" test in front of the dealer who sold you the gun.

When all was said and done my generic plain jane Glock 19 ended up costing me about $500. And if I had wanted to purchase another gun I would have had to have waited 60 days.

File under "sensible gun control meaures".

You're assuming that his brother actually knew how many guns he had.

He helped him move. Maybe he hid most of them in his trunk. But considering he showed no major penchant for guns in his past (based on all accounts) I'll assume his brother knows him better than me or you.

Either way, still messed up that he had 42 freaking guns.

I'm a total guitar slut and went through a period where I had tons of disposable income about a dozen years ago - and the most guitars I've ever owned at any one time was no more than 10.

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Batlork isn't asserting a higher authority than the shooter's brother, the brother just isn't the ultimate authority. The only true one would be the shooter himself.

Clearly his brother had the skinny. I'm sure the shooter must have just dropped 50 grand or whatever in a week rather than slowly stockpiling guns and hiding it from his family because he was planning on using them. Bet he didn't even have a storage unit.

good point.

Wonder if there was a gun show in Vegas in the days leading up to the shooting? They have them there all the time. He arrived there last Thurday which gave him a few days to stockpile.

Holy crap Batman!

NEVADA GUN SHOWS Up to date listings of gun shows in Nevada

Um, what? Sounds like Bush Jr's "You're doing a great job Brownie" during Katrina! :rolleyes:

President Donald Trump huddled with local and federal officials Tuesday in Puerto Rico, praising his administration's response to the hurricane that devastated the island.
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Sorry DJ, I don't mean to be bad but this is terrible English. You sound like an Eastern European trying to speak English. :laughing:

Las Vegas conspiracies...... :bonkhead::bonkhead::bonkhead:

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You will get 3am typing and you will like it!

What you mean is, you will be getting the typing at 3 of the morning and be liking it! :laughing: Man, I understand. :beer: However, you are now sigged.

Waiting for Alex Jones to come crawling out from under the fridge. After what he tried to do with the Boston Marathon event I won't put anything past him.

Well wait no longer. I'd link it but I don't want to give him the SEO boost.

In other news: Bill O'Reilly: Las Vegas shooting 'the price of freedom' | TheHill

Paul Ryan just announced that the House is shelving both the SHARE (and HPA to most likely follow) gun legistlation measures in light of the Vegas shootings.

I'm reluctant to post any thoughts about the Las Vegas incident on here because I'm positive it will end with me face-palming and throwing my keyboard at the wall. But, I will say this, once I do a proper report and get it published to my website, I will share it.

I can debunk it without even reading it.

1. Those windows were always blocked out.
2. Eyewitness reports are not scientific documents.
3. Early inaccuracies in reporting does not equal a cover up.
4. You need more than fishiness to justify your assertions.
5. Find a better way to make money.

That wraps it up pretty well. Toss in the word false flag and you are good to go.