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Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060458)
Can you link and quote to Ant defending white supremacy?

Yes, if I dig through the threads.

It was when that mass shooting happened and he pulled a 'what about this' with the racial massacres going on in the middle east.

Then he started going off about how majority bias is to be expected and that we're lucky that we're the majority and not Mexicans and as much as he claims that was a joke he was actually defending that statement against Batlord for a page where he, as he always does, accused Batlord of being drunk because he can't handle an actual debate with out childish ad hominem to dismiss the other's points.

OccultHawk 06-10-2019 01:59 PM

It seems to me he’s been the victim of a lot of ad hominem. I see people throwing **** at him and it makes me curious. So if you could please do dig through the threads and show me something.

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2048520)
Same people who have been whining for years about "not all Muslims" or "not all Christians" are now branding an "eco-fascist" and Chinese government sympathizer into a white supremacist that "speaks for all white people in New Zealand". We have multiple incidents every year where Christian churches get bombed in brown countries by Muslim extremists that don't even hit the bar for C-lst coverage from CNN and The Atlantic but they'll do thinkpieces on the "global dominance of white nationalist terrorism". There's certainly a big overall terrorism death toll out there...but white supremacy has a lot of catching up to do on the numbers side. They also lump in all those shooters like the Parkland kid into it even though he was a self-hating Jew. Like "wuttttttt", lol.

Makes me glad I didn't pursue a career in journalism right out of college. This **** would make me question what the point of the job is other than driving clicks. Yeesh.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2048524)
It isn't "whataboutism". Just this year alone there have been around 453 Islamic terror attacks (globally) with nearly 2k dead as a cumulative result. Of those, 117 happened in just the last 30 days. Those numbers are alarming in 2019, yet somehow The Anti-Defamation League and others think its insignificant. They want to focus on a nonexistent "domestic threat" to distract from real problems we have, just as Trump likes to focus on nonexistent Mexican rapists. :laughing:

Odds are your more likely to step on a landmine going to the grocery store set by an Islamic extremist than getting gunned down by a puffy faced white dude who doesn't leave grandma's basement.

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2048629)
I'm not really worried about whites flying planes into some Middle Eastern buildings. I am however worried about the trend of nativism in the West that has influence on governments with actual power.

Conflating Islamic terrorism with white supremacist terrorism is like conflating Iranian power with American power. Both should be watched but one clearly has a greater array of influence.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2048631)
If you think that's bad wait til you see what Chinese or Hispanic supremacy will entail. Give it another five decades. :D

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2048632)
Straight up supporting white supremacy.

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2048633)
No two ways about it

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2048634)
Straight up ad hominem. The world isn't going to become a better place just because you replace one majority with another. That's a fantasy.

Fact is, the world is quickly becoming a more diverse place right under everyone's nose. Just look at Japan, South Korea as well as the U.S. The playing field is leveling whether people like it or not. But at the point where this becomes truly apparent, people will be out of excuses of why Person A got that job over them cause everyone will be the same shade of beige/bronze/brown. :)

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2048635)
Like you don't know what you just said and how you said it.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2048636)
It's not always without value, but if your response to concerns over white supremacist shooters is "what about Islamic terrorism?" then it's inherently whataboutism.

And yes, promoting white supremacy as a more preferable form of racial supremacy to that of minorities is inherently white supremacist too.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2048637)
I'm not a mind reader. Why don't you tell me what bull**** you came up with and let's see how it measures up to reality, which is that every country has some form of perceived "x-supremacy", even when you can't measure it by any reasonable standard.

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Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2060463)
I thought the funniest part about that conversation is where he doesn't understand that yea domestic terrorists happen to be a bigger threat to us, you know, by the nature of them being here

Right?

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2060463)
if you happen to live in a Islamic country then yes, it might be more a threat, however one has to wonder how you factor in the US endless bombing of poor brown people...state sponsored terrorism?

It was, as Frown said, whataboutism in defense of white supremacist massacres. Not only creating a false dichotomy, but not understanding the reason why we fear this over that is because this is here where we are at and that is over there away from us.

Anteater 06-10-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2060464)
Right?

Right? Who would have thought that there's Chinese supremacy over in China. Or that talking about the lack of focus by journalistic outlets on a still present high death toll in the Middle East (which is partly our responsibility) was the same thing as saying "man, white supremacy is the right way to go.". Or that acknowledging that all races (including whites) are equally ****ed up when you put them in power is anything less than the truth.

And last time I checked, that New Zealand massacre wasn't a domestic U.S. incident. Seeing as, like elphenor points out, it didn't happen in the United States. I brought up the Middle East after that as a parallel to how these things are framed by the media and how they're no longer as interested in what the U.S. has birthed over there now that incels are marching through our cities.

All that digging and you couldn't find a single statement supporting white supremacy. Bravo.

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2060465)
Right? Who would have thought that there's Chinese supremacy over in China. I guess that's also white supremacy.

Is this another strawman? Oh boy.

The cycle continues.

:rofl:

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2060467)
who would think to try and defend it?

A fascist.

Anteater 06-10-2019 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2060469)
I mean, is this a "boys will be boys" argument for not criticizing say, the Chinese, "reeducation" of Muslims

Can you draw a similar parallel to current U.S. domestic policy? What they're doing would be wrong in any country. Lucem "I have the reading abilities of a 1st grader" Ferre might want to take a shot at it.

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2060470)
Can you draw a similar parallel to current U.S. domestic policy? What they're doing would be wrong in any country. Lucem "I have the reading abilities of a 1st grader" Ferre might want to take a shot at it.

See?

Strawman followed by ad hominem.

:rofl:

Remember when you were calling Bat pathetic for not being able to have a debate with out tearing people down?

OccultHawk 06-10-2019 02:49 PM

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calling you out for defending white supremacy
He didn’t defend white supremacy. Defending white supremacy would be saying something like the Christchurch shooter did New Zealand a favor. What Ant did was put it in context.

Insensitive timing yes but other racial groups do nasty **** as well. That’s the truth.


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