There aren’t any.

Try harder.

my point was simply that labor isn't some unnatural invention of capitalism. It's been baked into our existence from the start. It's just in our society it's more indirect in terms of how it relates to the resources we procur. But the bottom line is you don't get something for nothing. Your existence has a material cost. You're responsible for paying it.


don't quite understand this statement


The hunter gatherer bit was tongue in cheek.

You weren't born trained to work at Burger King. And working on an agrarian farm in a commune would certainly involve a learning curve. But you could manage it, if you were so
inclined.

You should because it’s true.

do you always go against the grain without any regard for pragmatism or reality?

I'm actually quite cynical about the long term prospects of capitalism. But I'm just more cynical about anarchism.

And despite your cop out, there are anarcho communes in the United States. Yes the
communes have to pay taxes etc. But effectively you live off the products you make in a close knit environment. It's literally the closest thing to what you say you want to live under. What exactly is stopping you?

America doesn’t allow it. If the farmland is fertile it always feeds the capitalist model. And yes, I mean without exception.

The communes already exist. People are living in them. They are making enough to live off. They pay taxes, yes. So do you. Stop copping out
Why don't you join?

Just say you can't give up your privileged life to live on a farm and I'll understand.

And my point is that how modern society relates to the basic concept of not getting something for nothing has changed over the millenia and become far more complex and nuanced, so bringing up older times has the effect of oversimplifying modern realities.


It was meant to lead into my next statement to your next statement. Hence the ellipsis. Expounding would have meant repeating myself.

I was born trained to live in a society where Burger King and all the rest of American capitalism is the monolithic norm.

Being inclined isn't the point. Find me an agrarian commune and I'll go there and see what happens. You can't simply shake a stick and find one, let alone a functioning one. Modern capitalistic society makes agrarian communes not simply rare but different from how they would be in a socialist society because the people who would go out of their way to create such a commune are going to be a very specific type of person and there's no guarantee that that person will be the person needed to create such a commune, and even if they were I've been raised to treat such a concept in a certain dubious way that makes me distrustful of any commune I might find. And that says nothing of how modern laws might affect how a commune should have to operate that would undermine its sustainability since those laws do not exist to sustain communes but to sustain capitalist ventures.

I think you're making the assumption that modern Liberal capitalism allows for all forms of habitation equally. I've looked up communes. They're few, far between, and generally don't seem to exist for long. The reasons for this are debatable of course but the idea that I could just Google "communes near me" and just start my new life is silly.

Pretty sure I was watching a video about one in Virgina not too long ago. I think they're definitely out there.

And yes it takes a specific kind of person. Namely one who walks the walk.