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Old 04-28-2020, 06:47 PM   #20731 (permalink)
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idk if you're asking me about what is likely or what is right

I don't believe in these absolute statements about human nature, humans are complex, we're totally capable of being selfless as much as we're cruel

tribal as much as independent

superstitious as much as logical

romantic as much as cynical

peaceful as much as violent
Sure if you look at humans in total what you say is true.. but thats not the reality of our existence. Groups of violent people attack groups of peaceful people and the peaceful protest the violence. It doesnt matter that humans as a whole are capable of all these examples when they are not likely to exist in each individual.
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Old 04-28-2020, 07:09 PM   #20732 (permalink)
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We are not special and will act like every other species driven by their biological desire to procreate which makes conflict inevitable. I can't imagine a justification for believing otherwise.

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I see some lady buy a homeless guy she's never met an entire pizza, and yet I'm supposed to believe there isn't something about the human spirit that's revolted by the suffering of strangers?
Anecdote?
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Old 04-28-2020, 07:19 PM   #20733 (permalink)
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Sure I have but I didnt see them as a threat to my existence, beliefs, whatever other thing that makes people to terrible things to one another. That's not a good reason for "not believing in human nature".
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Old 04-28-2020, 09:35 PM   #20734 (permalink)
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these are always systems where a small minority of selfish individuals exploit the rest of the population

but anyway, we cant assume that the structures of society are natural

in fact, it often seems like society is structured in such a way that would repress elements of our nature (if we assume such a thing exists in any absolute)
Bitch that **** doesn't exist without massive bureaucracies of complicit people who can't even be described as dupes, and massive populations who support the empire because they think it's not only in their best interest but moral and good for their country to own everything. The small minority might benefit the most, but the majority allows for it and cheerleads it.
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Old 04-28-2020, 09:55 PM   #20735 (permalink)
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I would say on an individual basis, most humans are more good than evil
Kinda, but it's this mindset that fosters "evil". I would say that humans are both. Some are lucky enough to develop the moral intelligence to recognize their capacity for "evil" to keep themselves from being "evil" using their sense of "good" as a justification for "evil", and some don't because of ignorance or an enabling environment or whathaveyou.
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Old 04-29-2020, 08:37 PM   #20736 (permalink)
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My guess is that it's American equipment and they're confirming the video as a flex with free publicity from Tom DeLonge. Or it's one of them Chinamen planes.
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Old 05-02-2020, 06:58 AM   #20739 (permalink)
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Do we attach the word slave to any other specific kind of labor or just sex?

I know we say wage slaves but what why isn’t every other life destroying forced occupation besides sexual prostitution called out for what it is?
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Old 05-02-2020, 11:15 AM   #20740 (permalink)
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Wow I bet you're the first person that has ever occurred to.
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