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Old 02-06-2021, 02:39 PM   #22591 (permalink)
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And tbh if a culture is so morally bankrupt that normal people would take a career in genocide then that's not the the time to make moral standards even more lax. Everyone should feel in their bones that mass murder isn't tolerable. I'm sorry if my position is too radical.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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All right Hawk, tell me this. It's easy to say you'd not work in such-and-such a place on grounds of personal choice, fine. But if (and I'm not saying this was the case but we all know what Nazi Germany was like) you were told you had to/should work somewhere and that if you didn't it was said, or strongly intimated that suspicion would fall on you, and your house might be raided, friends questioned, all sort of crap said and done about and to you because suddenly you were a potential enemy of the state, would you still turn down the job?

I'm not saying she was under that sort of pressure - maybe she wasn't. But we don't know. The interview that was linked in that article is in German so I can't make head or tail of it. But allowing that she had that sort of choice - basically you're with us or you're against us - would you still be so quick to dump the job?

It's easy to say hell yeah I'd do this that or the other when there are no actual consequences to your decision, your stand, other than losing out on a paycheque. If your liberty/life was at stake would you still make that decision?
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I know you’re a very kind person and that’s why you’re empathetic to this woman when presented the story in this context. However, I think if this was a documentary and the bulk of it was focused on the murders in that death camp and then at the end it showed the trials you’d be tying up the noose your damn self.
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Old 02-06-2021, 02:56 PM   #22595 (permalink)
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All right Hawk, tell me this. It's easy to say you'd not work in such-and-such a place on grounds of personal choice, fine. But if (and I'm not saying this was the case but we all know what Nazi Germany was like) you were told you had to/should work somewhere and that if you didn't it was said, or strongly intimated that suspicion would fall on you, and your house might be raided, friends questioned, all sort of crap said and done about and to you because suddenly you were a potential enemy of the state, would you still turn down the job?

I'm not saying she was under that sort of pressure - maybe she wasn't. But we don't know. The interview that was linked in that article is in German so I can't make head or tail of it. But allowing that she had that sort of choice - basically you're with us or you're against us - would you still be so quick to dump the job?

It's easy to say hell yeah I'd do this that or the other when there are no actual consequences to your decision, your stand, other than losing out on a paycheque. If your liberty/life was at stake would you still make that decision?
That's dumb as ****. Stop making up fake scenarios to justify siding with some old bitch.
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All right Hawk, tell me this. It's easy to say you'd not work in such-and-such a place on grounds of personal choice, fine. But if (and I'm not saying this was the case but we all know what Nazi Germany was like) you were told you had to/should work somewhere and that if you didn't it was said, or strongly intimated that suspicion would fall on you, and your house might be raided, friends questioned, all sort of crap said and done about and to you because suddenly you were a potential enemy of the state, would you still turn down the job?

I'm not saying she was under that sort of pressure - maybe she wasn't. But we don't know. The interview that was linked in that article is in German so I can't make head or tail of it. But allowing that she had that sort of choice - basically you're with us or you're against us - would you still be so quick to dump the job?

It's easy to say hell yeah I'd do this that or the other when there are no actual consequences to your decision, your stand, other than losing out on a paycheque. If your liberty/life was at stake would you still make that decision?
I feel like the decisions I have made in my life demonstrate there’s things I will not do. I didn’t grow up in Nazi Germany so one can only guess. I did grow up and I do live in Necro-Capitalist America and bat you can roll your eyes in disbelief if you want to but I believe I have sacrificed a middle class life because of my lack of willingness to cooperate with the American Capitalist Death Machine.

When I look in the mirror I see a man who wouldn’t work in a ****ing death camp. Some people think if you believe that it means you have a lack of self-awareness. I think in my case I’ve earned the right to say it, however.

Hypotheticals? Ain’t nobody know.
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Old 02-06-2021, 03:24 PM   #22597 (permalink)
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I know you’re a very kind person and that’s why you’re empathetic to this woman when presented the story in this context. However, I think if this was a documentary and the bulk of it was focused on the murders in that death camp and then at the end it showed the trials you’d be tying up the noose your damn self.
True that. You can use your empathy to think up extenuating circumstances, but the truth is no realistic circumstance can justify working in a concentration camp. And even though I tend to side with the edgelord 'humanity is evil' perspective there are definitely many people who would stick with that moral boundary. There are also many people who wouldn't, and you can't be 100% sure what you would do in hypothetical situations, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.
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I’ll tell you though. Whether it’s Hans Krása being murdered at Auschwitz or Eichmann hanging from the end of a rope a part of me always thinks “there but for the grace of god go i”

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honestly I think we should be murdering Nazis right now in the US
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