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OccultHawk 05-15-2019 04:54 AM

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...1&guccounter=1

Roger Daltrey Curses Out Fans For Smoking Pot In Front Of Him

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3b98...itemid=7314590

Psy-Fi 05-15-2019 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2056720)

I can't believe that's the only time that people near the front of the stage at a Who show have ever been smoking weed while the band was on stage. :laughing:

Ol' Roger must be turning into a grumpy old fart. :mad:

Frownland 05-15-2019 12:34 PM

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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...19/304/old.jpg

Frownland 05-15-2019 01:11 PM

Kenny Burrell facing homelessness from medical debt, identity theft

His gofundme if you're interested: https://www.gofundme.com/support-kenny-burrell

OccultHawk 05-15-2019 01:51 PM

Not quite convinced of the imminent threat of homelessness there

Zhanteimi 05-15-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2056720)

The designated driver for The Who.

OccultHawk 05-15-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2056820)
The designated driver for The Who.

Cue Going Mobile and Magic Bus.

Frownland 05-15-2019 07:42 PM

First Lydon comes out as a right winger, now Daltrey's become a grumpy old fogey. Who's Next?

Zhanteimi 05-15-2019 07:46 PM

lol

OccultHawk 05-16-2019 03:28 AM

A 2-year-old boy detained at the U.S.-Mexico border died Tuesday after several weeks in the hospital in El Paso, Texas, becoming the fourth Guatemalan minor to die in in U.S. custody since December, the Washington Post reports

Anteater 05-16-2019 06:14 PM

Politico - Judge confirms Trump associate gave feds Osama bin Laden’s number

So the guy who has been implicated in leading talks for Trump Tower Moscow also helped the feds track down Osama Bid Laden...what the ****.

Frownland 05-17-2019 05:06 PM

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Migrants Apprehended At Southern Border Top 100,000 For Second Consecutive Month

We just can't arrest them fast enough! It's a real crisis. To fix it, we'll need trains, camps, genuine action. No more half measures, we need a final solution.

Trump administration prepares to release Central American migrants 'across the entire nation'

The Batlord 05-17-2019 05:12 PM

Someone should get shot in the head for that headline.

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That means states from Oregon to North Dakota to Maine may begin receiving planeloads of migrant families in the weeks to come.
Binders full of migrant families!

Chula Vista 05-18-2019 07:45 AM

Jesus. I've been surrounded by migrants for decades. What's the biggie? ****, just realized I'm a migrant since I moved my family across the US for a better job.

DwnWthVwls 05-18-2019 08:47 AM

The yang gang support your life style.

Lisnaholic 05-19-2019 07:18 AM

I wonder if the growing number of people calling into doubt the conduct of Trump and Barr will finally cause more GOP senators to reconsider their loyalty to Trump. Recently there have been some notable contributors to the chorus of disapproval about the GOP reception of the Mueller Report.

i) 600-odd former prosectutors who wrote an open letter confirming that Mueller presented sufficient evidence to proceed with an obstruction case against Trump
ii) Elizabeth Warren's long speech to congress, laying out the case for impeachment, based on Mueller's evidence so far and backed up by lengthly quotes from the report.
iii) GOP senator Justin Amash breaks ranks and in a well-worded tweet stream demolishes Barr's misrepresentation of the Mueller Report. In case you missed it:-

Spoiler for Justin Amash's tweet thread:
Justin Amash‏ :Cuenta verificada @justinamash :16 h Hace 16 horas

Here are my principal conclusions:
1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.
2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.
3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.
4. Few members of Congress have read the report.

I offer these conclusions only after having read Mueller’s redacted report carefully and completely, having read or watched pertinent statements and testimony, and having discussed this matter with my staff, who thoroughly reviewed materials and provided me with further analysis.

In comparing Barr’s principal conclusions, congressional testimony, and other statements to Mueller’s report, it is clear that Barr intended to mislead the public about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s analysis and findings.

Barr’s misrepresentations are significant but often subtle, frequently taking the form of sleight-of-hand qualifications or logical fallacies, which he hopes people will not notice.

Under our Constitution, the president “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” While “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined, the context implies conduct that violates the public trust.

Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.

In fact, Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.

Impeachment, which is a special form of indictment, does not even require probable cause that a crime (e.g., obstruction of justice) has been committed; it simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless, abusive, corrupt, or otherwise dishonorable conduct.

While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances, the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct.

Our system of checks and balances relies on each branch’s jealously guarding its powers and upholding its duties under our Constitution. When loyalty to a political party or to an individual trumps loyalty to the Constitution, the Rule of Law—the foundation of liberty—crumbles.

We’ve witnessed members of Congress from both parties shift their views 180 degrees—on the importance of character, on the principles of obstruction of justice—depending on whether they’re discussing Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.

Few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report; their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation—and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report’s conclusions within just hours of its release.

America’s institutions depend on officials to uphold both the rules and spirit of our constitutional system even when to do so is personally inconvenient or yields a politically unfavorable outcome. Our Constitution is brilliant and awesome; it deserves a government to match it.

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 07:39 AM

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600-odd former prosectutors who wrote an open letter confirming that Mueller presented sufficient evidence to proceed with an obstruction case against Trump
Then Mueller was derelict of his duty as special prosecuter.

****ing bitch. I wish I could smash his ****ing face with a tire iron.

Lisnaholic 05-19-2019 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2057201)
Then Mueller was derelict of his duty as special prosecuter.

^ Thank you for the spelling correction!

Back in the very early days of the investigation, I remember a media guy saying that the purpose of a report is to accumulate/present evidence on which prosecutorial decisions can then be made by other people, but yeah, Mueller took a bit too seriously that old-school restraint, and the notion that a President cannot be indicted. If he had gone that extra step beyond his double-negative of "I can't say Trump didn't obstruct justice." he could've saved everybody weeks of messing around. :(

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****ing bitch. I wish I could smash his ****ing face with a tire iron.
^ HaHa! I'm still hoping that the Dems will ensure that the facts are presented to the American people. Not as dramatic as your approach, but more constitutional. ;)

rostasi 05-19-2019 08:04 AM

Mueller was not a special prosecutor
(and he was even less a “prosecuter”).

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 08:43 AM

Retard spelling error aside

Yes he ****ing was

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2057202)
^ Thank you for the spelling correction!

Back in the very early days of the investigation, I remember a media guy saying that the purpose of a report is to accumulate/present evidence on which prosecutorial decisions can then be made by other people, but yeah, Mueller took a bit too seriously that old-school restraint, and the notion that a President cannot be indicted. If he had gone that extra step beyond his double-negative of "I can't say Trump didn't obstruct justice." he could've saved everybody weeks of messing around. :(



^ HaHa! I'm still hoping that the Dems will ensure that the facts are presented to the American people. Not as dramatic as your approach, but more constitutional. ;)

Show me where the constitution says the president can’t be arrested for breaking the law. A crime is a crime is a crime.

Frownland 05-19-2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2057211)
Retard spelling error aside

Yes he ****ing was

*Special counsel

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 09:30 AM

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*Special counsel

Are you being ironic?

Frownland 05-19-2019 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2057214)
Are you being ironic?

No prosecution = no prosecutor

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 09:47 AM

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No prosecution = no prosecutor

I guess if all you ever did was put on your uniform and sit on the bench it’s questionable whether you’re a football player.

a walk needs a walker
a swim needs a swimmer

https://www.uscp.gov/sites/uscapitol...0Verderosa.pdf

This is another person who’s too cowardly to do his job.

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UNITED STATES CAPITOL POLICE
Matthew R. Verderosa, Chief of Police
Can a man who doesn’t police be a policeman?

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2057224)
constitution says you remove a president by impeachment

blame republicans 90% approval of the bastard

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Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Congress cannot arrest the president or anyone else. The police can arrest the president and anyone else. A president does not need to be impeached in order to be arrested.

Anteater 05-19-2019 01:06 PM

Clinton wasn't impeached nor arrested for lying under oath to Congress. Nixon wasn't arrested for actually firing his Special Counsel. Neither Obama nor Eric Holder were arrested for refusing subpoenas from Congress and "obstructing justice" during the Fast & Furious fiasco. So what makes anyone with a functioning brain think that bar is going to be lowered for Trump?

Congress needs to get off their ass and do something concrete...otherwise shut up and shift focus to real issues. Lord knows there are plenty of those.

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 01:32 PM

God the world would be a better place if Nixon had been executed.

Lisnaholic 05-19-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2057212)
Show me where the constitution says the president can’t be arrested for breaking the law. A crime is a crime is a crime.

^ Probably not in the constitution, but there is a decision by the Office of Legal Council, whoever they may be, that says that a sitting President cannot be indicted.( I think the fear being, What would America do if the President were arrested the day that a nuclear war starts?) That legal decision is considered v difficult to overturn by Dems and Reps alike, and Special Counsellor Mueller took the position that if the Dept of Justice can't indict a sitting President, the same Dept can't accuse him either. Without trial, the Pres can't defend himself from the accusation, so it's legally unfair to accuse him in the first place. ( A legal nicety for Trump that Barr has done his best to avoid mentioning.)

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2057240)
Clinton wasn't impeached nor arrested for lying under oath to Congress. Nixon wasn't arrested for actually firing his Special Counsel. Neither Obama nor Eric Holder were arrested for refusing subpoenas from Congress and "obstructing justice" during the Fast & Furious fiasco. So what makes anyone with a functioning brain think that bar is going to be lowered for Trump?

^ The way I see it, there are different scales of lying. "I like your new haircut" can be a lie, and so can "I shot that man in self defense," but there's a big difference in the gravity of what you're lying about.

My understanding is that Clinton lied a couple of times about having extramarital oral sex. Trump and associates have lied repeatedly about consorting with a hostile foreign power to influence election results. Barr has lied about clear evidence of up to ten occasions of obstruction of justice. I don't see it as a lowering of the bar to hold Trump, the AG and others responsible for undermining the democratic process, the power of Congress and the neutrality of the Dept of Justice. The only thing poor old Clinton undermined was his marriage, and that's why he wasn't impeached, imo.

Lisnaholic 05-19-2019 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2057254)
>Clinton wasn't impeached

uh yes he was

^ Well, I had to check wikipedia, and it seems like he wasn't Elph: he stayed in office.
It prob felt like impeachment because the long-drawn-out Starr investigation was continuously leaking titillating details to the press. Starr leaked over the press even more than Clinton leaked over Monica's dress, knowodahmsayin?

EDIT: OOPS! Just re-read the wiki article, and yes, you're right elph, he was impeached. My bad, but even badder on Anteater.

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Although proceedings were delayed due to the bombing of Iraq, on the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote). Two other articles of impeachment failed – a second count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205–229 vote)and one accusing Clinton of abuse of power (by a 148–285 vote). Clinton thus became the second U.S. president to be impeached, following Andrew Johnson in 1868. (Clinton was the third sitting president against whom the House of Representatives initiated impeachment proceedings since 1789.)

The Batlord 05-19-2019 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2057258)
^ Well, I had to check wikipedia, and it seems like he wasn't Elph: he stayed in office.
It prob felt like impeachment because the long-drawn-out Starr investigation was continuously leaking titillating details to the press. Starr leaked over the press even more than Clinton leaked over Monica's dress, knowodahmsayin?

Being impeached doesn't mean being removed from office. The impeachment is the "trial".

Lisnaholic 05-19-2019 05:23 PM

^ Thanks for clarifications :thumb:

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 05:29 PM

I think they just make it up as they go...

Wiki on Clinton’s impeachment trial in the senate

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A resolution on rules and procedure for the trial was adopted unanimously on the following day; however, senators tabled the question of whether to call witnesses in the trial.

Lisnaholic 05-19-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2057263)
it's important to consider when talking about "lowering the bar" for impeachment that it's entirely a political process and no bar exists

^ Well, that's something to take up with Anteater, who led me right off the fact map into that favourite GOP terrain: the land of lies. As a Russian political saying apparently has it, "If you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth," which is what Trump, Barr and co seem to be banking on.

The Batlord 05-19-2019 05:34 PM

I wonder if the congressmen with legal backgrounds are sitting back secretly hating their colleagues for being law retards during any kind of congressional investigation?

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2057265)
they just wanted to try and tie up his administration

Republicans never give a ****kk

That’s one thing I respect about them. They play to win.

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 05:35 PM

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I wonder if the congressmen with legal backgrounds are sitting back secretly hating their colleagues for being law retards during any kind of congressional investigation?

They don’t even pay any ****ing attention.

The Batlord 05-19-2019 05:37 PM

Just imagine you were in congress during the whole PMRC thing and you had to sit through those plebes figuring out music and art.

Lisnaholic 05-19-2019 05:40 PM

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That’s one thing I respect about them. They play to win.

^ You'd have to lose that attitude if you went to an English school, OH!
"It isn't about who wins or loses, it's about how you play the game." For a hundred years, this had all the force of an eleventh commandment for Brit schoolchildren.;)

OccultHawk 05-19-2019 05:41 PM

The British Empire played to win.


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